Radagast ruling. HELP!

[cungalunga]

I played a game later today on gccg. It was a nice game, my opponent was Manwe i belive. Well he rushed me to site 8 I was at 6. My fellowhip turn starts.

This is the situtation. I play Gandalf and Radagast. My move limit is +1. I move on 7 I kill Radagst. Move to 8, then at regrop I want to move again to 9. Manwe objects saying it is illegal. Who is right?

My arguament rule wise are not strong. But by that ruling I played in real life on many official decipher tournaments.

So if anyone with good rule knowledge can help to clarify please.

[ket_the_jet]

Once a move limit is modified, it lasts the entire turn.
-wtk

[cungalunga]

Yea. I thought so as well. Manwe had a pretty nice laugh at me, even said I didn't know the basics of the game.
I was quite sure I was right, but didn't know to explain my position. Haven't played a lot .

Thanks.

[Gartax]

The move limit is a standing effect.

Radagash text says "The move limit is +1"

Your turn start, you play radagash making the move limit +1 . The standing effect is changed for the rest of the turn.

If you had to spot radagash his text  would have been " while you can spot Radagash, the move limit is +1"

But it is not the case.

[Elessar's Socks]

Copying the rule: "If the move limit is modified for a turn, then that modification is in effect for the whole turn, even if the conditions for the modification change."

If you had to spot radagash his text  would have been " while you can spot Radagash, the move limit is +1"

In this situation, the move limit would be unchanged even if Radagast is killed that turn.

[gk1964]

If you are correct then does the second part of Radagast's text  (below) also apply?

"Each time the fellowship moves during the regroup phase, each opponent may discard 2 cards to draw 2 cards. "

Why would the card say while you can spot Radagast the turn limit is +1 when the text is on Radagast in the first place?

I can see why you quote the rules about modifying the move limit but for some reason I cannot explain I don't think that the intent was that Radagast could be killed off and still modify that turn's move limit.

[Doom]

The move limit is in a sense "permanently modified". (See rule above). It doesn't say "while you can spot". And the second part doesn't apply because it requires you to actually spot radagast. It isn't a lasting effect.

[gk1964]

What I am saying is that the way it states the move limit is +1 is no different from the second part of the card.

I understand the point being made about the rulebook I just don't think that Radagast should be able to increase the turn limit when in the dead pile while the Shadow player doesn't get his side of the deal so to speak.

I would have to agree with Manwe's objection on this one even though the general consensus goes against me.

[ket_the_jet]

The consensus, and the rules of the game, go against you.
-wtk

[macheteman]

Radagash text says "The move limit is +1"

and also... Radagast.

[gk1964]

I have acknowledged that the rulebook enforces Radagast's text as permanent for the turn.

I am merely stating that I think that Manwe's objection to the limit remaining at +1 when Radagast was dead was one I empathised with.

[ket_the_jet]

Here's an even better one. If you played Radagast, the Brown, used Saved From the Fire and iced him, then played him again with Sent Back, the move limit for that turn would be +2. In theory, you could kill him and use Sent Back as many times as you had copies to increase the move limit even more.
-wtk

[macheteman]

Here's an even better one. If you played Radagast, the Brown, used Saved From the Fire and iced him, then played him again with Sent Back, the move limit for that turn would be +2. In theory, you could kill him and use Sent Back as many times as you had copies to increase the move limit even more.
-wtk

i had a deck that could do that. one time i won whilst my opponent was still at site 3.