Do We Have any Evolutionists

[Elrohir]

I am really open-minded, but that seems really incredible for me: the earth is 6 thousand years old?  That does not convince me - i can not believe that (that is just my opinion)...

With C-14, you can get aproxximately the age of any organic things.

[Pepin The Breve]

I am really open-minded, but that seems really incredible for me: the earth is 6 thousand years old?  That does not convince me - i can not believe that (that is just my opinion)...

With C-14, you can get aproxximately the age of any organic things.

   That´s why i cited chemystry...

   Anyway, i will wait for some differnt ideas to show. 

[MR. Lurtzy]

Yeah, well not who believe in creationalism believe the world is necessarily 6000 years old... a lot of different groups believe in creationalism but not all believe in the "young earth." I personally don't think it matters either way.

[FM]

I also happen to not buy this 6,000 years thing, although I'm somewhat of a creationist. I mean, c'mon, the way we're wrecking the planet, I'd feel much better to know that we at least got some good mileage out of it first!

[TheJord]

I do believe in the literal translation of the Bible, that God created the Earth, but I believe the days spoken of in Genesis are more creative periods of a timescale we would struggle to understand (Moses probably struggled to comprehend it has he wrote it).

[Gate Troll]

I believe that when God says "And there was evening and there was morning, the first day" he means a day.
I'm no expert on the Hebrew, but I do know that the Hebrew used for day doesn't mean period of time, but actual 24-hour day. Just out of curiosity, why would you think that 'day' means anything else?

[TheJord]

I think if God wanted to make Earth in 6 24 hour period's, then he could.

But is the scripture referring to our days, or days as God reckons them...?

[Gil-Estel]

I believe God is allmighty, so He could have done it in 4,5 billion years, in 6 days or in a splitsecond. A few questions though:

- People try to calculate the age of the world by measuring the age of Adam and all his descendants. I always wonder -not as a sceptic , just as a general wondering- whether Adam's age is to be determined from the day he was created, or from the day they fell in sin?

- Polar ice has layers, each containing oxygen and CO2. These layers are like the rings in a tree, with which you can tell how old a tree is. It is known that nowadays each year an new layer is created. With these method they go back in time like 300.000 years. Does anyone has an explanation for that? I'm not an expert, so I don't provide this as evidence, it was just something I have seen, multiple times, and that makes me wonder.

- Like I said earlier, what if there is prove that the earth is older, I mean actual prove, not a model, a theory what so ever. Will people still try to ignore those things, out of fear that what if this is not true, what else is? Or are people willing to accept it, stating that the bible is not a scientific book, but God's invitation for us to accept, in which He wants us to have a relation with Him.

These are all things I am thinking about from time to time........Does anyone recognize this, or is it all just gibberish?

[TheJord]

I agree with you GE on the first point... who knows how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden before they were cast out. And what was going on in the world around them all that time?

Not that it matters in the end lol, but it is an interesting thought.

[sickofpalantirs]

At peping: I have heard many arguments for age from both sides, and both seem to have good points.
the problem is, it is nigh on impossible to find an UNbiased source.  Which leaves civil debate, but it is almost impossible to have civil debate about this.
So yeah...very confusing.

[Centurion]

I am somewhat in agreement with GE on the calculation of 6,000 however I am not sure about 300,000  I mean honestly how long have we been watching glaciers? How fast do these layers accumulate? Have they always been accumulating at the same speed? However on the first point GE you are dead on the money how the heck are we supposed to know that? Assuming that Adam's age is calculated from creation the idea has some weight if it isn't then there is no way to know! However when God says day I believe very strongly that he meant day the Hebrew word used there is quite definite, yom meaning normal 24 hour day. Also take a step back and think for a minute making the days of Genesis ages in which there is thousands upon thousands and millions upon millions of years of death  and sickness and suffering before the fall of man does it make sense to even mention the fall in the bible or to warn  Adam and Eve about death if they ate out of a tree? Seems a little ridiculous I mean if the days were truly ages then Adam and Eve would have seen all the animals  dying around them then I think they would put 2 and 2 together and guessed that it would probably happen to them to. They were not stupid primitives after all right? so I am strongly oriented against day-age and gap theory not anyone who follows it but strongly against the idea itself.I believe I have made my position clear and hope sincerely that I have not offended anyone and if I have I am truly sorry.

Sincerely your humble commander of a hundred

Centurion       

[Gate Troll]

I think if God wanted to make Earth in 6 24 hour period's, then he could.

But is the scripture referring to our days, or days as God reckons them...?

Well, it does say in the Bible that "a thousand years are like a day in God's sight and a thousand years are like a day" or something to that effect. By the way he says evening and morning though, I think he means a literal day.

[Pepin The Breve]

   Well, the thory of decaing of chemical elements ("half-life" if you prefer) makes it possible to calculated the aproximate age of many things that contains some kinds of atoms (or it´s radioactive forms). Based on this dating from rocks and  Geology states that earth had more than 4 billions of years old.  Astrophysics estimates even the age of or universe (like we know it) based on the background radiation energy mesured at many diferent points of it.

   I know, thid things could seem a little "crazy" but they are all done based on the current most acetable theorys of all this scince areas. They could be wrong? Yes, they could but for now i choose to acept them as the most logic model to understand universe phenomena.

   Fossil register seem to add embasament to all this (species from all kingdons). He have even civilizations (or pre-civilizations) that are said to have more than 5 thousands of years (that have leave registers).

   For me it´s very hard to belive that Earth have only 6 thousand years, cause this contradict much of what different areas of scince states. Again it could be much wrong ideas here, but we can neglet the fact that with this solid theory  (the current scince) human kind could create things like airplanes, drugs, computers and etc, based pretty much in some of this principles of Math, Physics, Chemystry, Geology, Biology and all others.

[Centurion]

are you referring to C-14 dating or are you referring to the opinions of some geologists???

[menace64]

Now in this particular area I have absolutely no real information to provide, so if someone could help me out it'd be much appreciated.

I recall hearing at one point that the Bible rarely used "real" days in reference to the passage of time. For instance, the number 40 comes up over and over again throughout the Old Testament, and each time it does it corresponds to "a long period or a generation" instead of - literally - 40.

Anyone else heard this? Sound familiar?