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October 28, 2008, 12:54:25 PM
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Re: Do We Have any Evolutionists
« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2008, 12:54:25 PM »
Yes, I've heard things like that too. "Seventy times seven" usually means just a huge number, and things like that. Can't remember them all right now, though.... ](*,)
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October 28, 2008, 12:56:36 PM
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« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2008, 12:56:36 PM »
No I haven't however I do know as I said before that the hebrew word used in the passage is yom and means literal day 24 hours. 
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October 28, 2008, 01:11:12 PM
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« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2008, 01:11:12 PM »
i'll try to shed some light on this m64. mostly in the bible it does use real days. there are some things like dain said, but for the most part the numbers are literal.

but, i know that the theory for non literal 7 days comes from the passage that says: to god one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as one day

i agree that we weren't there when the earth was created, and so it could have been made any way god wanted. i'm literally inclined, and here are a few reasons that i think might support it. but i wouldn't be surprised if i'm dead wrong, it's just  this is the way i think now. on this side of fate.

one reason: since i don't believe the world evolved, god doesn't need a long time. (but he could have just as easily done it in a long time, so this isn't proof)

two reason: i think the use of the "one day is as a thousand" passage is simply meaning god doesn't exist in time like we do. he's god, he has no limitations. not even time. however, in context of creation, the first thing he makes is night and day, thus defining the "time" (days) that he has given us.

three reason: the fact that he worked six days and rested on the seventh set the foundation for our week. and the week has never been broken to my knowledge even though there have been attempts to change it. during the french revolution, the leaders wanted to change to a 10 day week, so there would be less days off work. now, i'm not ignoring the cultures who have no record of time at all. there are plenty of tribes who don't keep record of years, months weeks or days. and those people don't know how old they are exactly. they have a sketchy reconing of time, but nothing certain. but all civilized countries, that i know of, (and i could be wrong) use a seven day week. this also is no proof of a literal interpretation, but in my mind it sort of reinforces it. i hope this helped.

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October 28, 2008, 05:53:02 PM
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« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2008, 05:53:02 PM »
It did very much mm it is always good to have a compatriot. :)
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October 29, 2008, 10:34:47 AM
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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2008, 10:34:47 AM »
Just want to point out that God separated light and darkness before he created the Sun and stars and such, so another question could be: is the night and day He created really physical night and day or physical light and darkness?  I don't have an answer, I'm just bringing it up.

October 29, 2008, 07:46:38 PM
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« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2008, 07:46:38 PM »
yeah, i see what you are saying, and, that could be true. but think in context. everything else created was real and physical, earth plants animals. and light and darkness are real. so in context it seems to suggest he created real days.

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October 29, 2008, 07:52:08 PM
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« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2008, 07:52:08 PM »
an interesting thought...as mm said the year is based on the cycle of the earth around the sun, the month is based on the moons cycle, the day is based on the spinning of the earth and the week is based on...the bible.  Ban national weeks as unconstitutional! separation of church and state!

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October 29, 2008, 08:03:34 PM
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« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2008, 08:03:34 PM »
Not to mention weekly rest day, Sunday. Also from the Bible, and it's even in the Work-related Laws, at least here it is. "Weekly rest, preferrably on Sundays".

October 29, 2008, 08:13:26 PM
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« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2008, 08:13:26 PM »
yes, an excellent point. even if there is no god, the sheer universality of the 7 day week with designated rest day is astounding.

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November 01, 2008, 12:52:47 AM
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Re: Do We Have any Evolutionists
« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2008, 12:52:47 AM »
Did you know that the biblical day of rest was originally Saturday?  In fact, the Jewish religion still observes Sabbath on Saturday.  It was the Roman church that changed it to Sunday, because the people already worshipped another god on that day, so they changed it to Sunday.  It made it easier to get people to worship Christ.  Weird, huh?   :)

November 01, 2008, 05:45:54 AM
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Re: Do We Have any Evolutionists
« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2008, 05:45:54 AM »
Yeah, I think we worship on Sunday because Christ rose on a Sunday.

November 01, 2008, 01:50:18 PM
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« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2008, 01:50:18 PM »
Did you know that the biblical day of rest was originally Saturday?  In fact, the Jewish religion still observes Sabbath on Saturday.  It was the Roman church that changed it to Sunday, because the people already worshipped another god on that day, so they changed it to Sunday.  It made it easier to get people to worship Christ.  Weird, huh?   :)

yes, there are some protestant churches who still observe a Saturday sabbath. AND they took Christ down from the cross on friday evening because the Sabbath starts at sundown of the previous day. so, friday night. like when god is creating the earth it says: and the evening and morning were the first day.