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July 08, 2017, 12:21:19 AM
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Gamling Warrior of Rohan
« on: July 08, 2017, 12:21:19 AM »
In the Wiki write up on Gamling Warrior of Rohan there is a part that says: "His ability can even be used to get around the "1 of each type of item" limitation, though only for items that can be discarded during the skirmish phase, such as the Rohirrim Helm, which you can discard to cancel skirmishes." First off I assume that the 1 of each type of item means that unlike a classless possession you can only have one of a certain item  like only one Possession: Hand Weapon, one Possession: Range Weapon, One Possession: Armor Etc  If that is true then how can he get around that limitation?

I understand that something like a Rohirrim Helm or shield you could discard to where he would no longer have it, but how could he in the first place before the end of turn and regroup action take possession of say two of them, two shields or two helms if in fact they can only have or accept one, sort of confused on that?

Hoping for an answer that will help me understand better, but assuming he can get around it with the Helm and maybe the shield since you can discard that also to heal, is it then possible while you are pumping him up with + 2 possessions to give him 2 helms and or 2 shields, besides all the other possessions?
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July 08, 2017, 02:10:17 AM
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Re: Gamling Warrior of Rohan
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2017, 02:10:17 AM »
First off I assume that the 1 of each type of item means that unlike a classless possession you can only have one of a certain item like only one Possession: Hand Weapon, one Possession: Range Weapon, One Possession: Armor Etc

right

If that is true then how can he get around that limitation?

like stated in the Article: "though only for items that can be discarded during the skirmish phase"

You can never have 2 Possessions of the same Class, except things like Flaming Brand or Hand Axe

July 08, 2017, 08:34:13 AM
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2017, 08:34:13 AM »
That still did not answer the question. Flaming Brand and Hand Axe is a given that anybody can do not just him. Taking the Helm like they did for example, How can he (even for a moment in time) be allowed to have two Helms? Does it have something to do with the text itself in just saying play possessions to give him + 2 strength, but wants you to know that you had better discard that 2nd helm by the end of your turn because the Skirmish phase is now over and he can't hang on to it?

In the beginning of you're turn (Fellowship Phase) why not give Gimli a second one of his Helms after all he is going to discard one of them in the Skirmish phase anyway?  See what I mean? I do not mean to make a big deal out of it just trying to fully understand it.

Not complaining mine you. Heck if I can give a second helm or second shield to Gamling for another + 4 and discard both of the second ones afterwards great. :-)

July 08, 2017, 10:17:25 AM
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2017, 10:17:25 AM »
It is like I said: You can never have 2 Possessions of the same Class on the same Character at the same time, except things like Flaming Brand or Hand Axe. Do not take this "His ability can even be used to get around the "1 of each type of item" limitation" too literal.
What the article means is the following:
You can play a Helm on Gamling. In the Skirmish phase you can discard the helm to cancel the skirmish. The opponent can exert a minion in this skirmish to prevent this. Thanks to Gamlings Gametext you can play another (a SECOND) helm in the Skirmish Phase on him.
You can discard the helm to cancel the skirmish. The opponent can again exert a minion in this skirmish to prevent this. Thanks to Gamlings Gametext you can play another (a Third) helm in the Skirmish Phase on him. and so on.
You see - he is never carrying 2 helms on the same time. And that is what is written in the Article: ... though only for items that can be discarded during the skirmish phase. When it is discarded it is gone, you no longer wear it.  
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July 08, 2017, 02:03:07 PM
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2017, 02:03:07 PM »
It is like I said: You can never have 2 Possessions of the same Class on the same Character at the same time, except things like Flaming Brand or Hand Axe. Do not take this "His ability can even be used to get around the "1 of each type of item" limitation" too literal.
What the article means is the following:
You can play a Helm on Gamling. In the Skirmish phase you can discard the helm to cancel the skirmish. The opponent can exert a minion in this skirmish to prevent this. Thanks to Gamlings Gametext you can play another (a SECOND) helm in the Skirmish Phase on him.
You can discard the helm to cancel the skirmish. The opponent can again exert a minion in this skirmish to prevent this. Thanks to Gamlings Gametext you can play another (a Third) helm in the Skirmish Phase on him. and so on.
You see - he is never carrying 2 helms on the same time. And that is what is written in the Article: ... though only for items that can be discarded during the skirmish phase. When it is discarded it is gone, you no longer wear it. 
AH  now that makes sense. Thanks again.

July 12, 2017, 07:43:27 AM
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Re: Gamling Warrior of Rohan
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2017, 07:43:27 AM »
Do not take this "His ability can even be used to get around the "1 of each type of item" limitation" too literal.
The only way to take it is literally, and it's literally wrong. It would be better if it said something along the lines of "While his ability cannot be used to get around the '1 of each type of item' limitation, for possessions that can be discarded during the skirmish phase, such as the Rohirrim Helm, you can play and/or discard multiple possessions to gain bonuses during a single skirmish." Also, nobody should post their name on a wiki. The point of a wiki is for anyone/everyone to be able to edit any page at any time. If "Keith Walton" doesn't fix the page, someone else definitely should.

July 12, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
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Re: Gamling Warrior of Rohan
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2017, 07:55:40 AM »
Also, nobody should post their name on a wiki. The point of a wiki is for anyone/everyone to be able to edit any page at any time. If "Keith Walton" doesn't fix the page, someone else definitely should.

Keith Walton was a Decipher employee who wrote the write-up for Gamling before the release of the Battle of Helm's Deep set. Here is the link.

That said, you are right that it should be it's own section of the Wiki or linked in the reference.
-wtk

July 12, 2017, 08:21:13 AM
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Re: Gamling Warrior of Rohan
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2017, 08:21:13 AM »
Also, nobody should post their name on a wiki. The point of a wiki is for anyone/everyone to be able to edit any page at any time. If "Keith Walton" doesn't fix the page, someone else definitely should.

Keith Walton was a Decipher employee who wrote the write-up for Gamling before the release of the Battle of Helm's Deep set. Here is the link.

That said, you are right that it should be it's own section of the Wiki or linked in the reference.
-wtk
Haha. Thanks, ket (again). I'm sticking by what I said though. That paragraph it horrendous.

Edit: I just added the link to the Gamling, WoR page.
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July 12, 2017, 10:26:37 AM
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Re: Gamling Warrior of Rohan
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2017, 10:26:37 AM »
That paragraph it horrendous.
There are lots of pages with quotes from Decipher staff, and they're not all perfect.

That said, I think the sentence is perfectly clear: "His ability can even be used to get around the "1 of each type of item" limitation, though only for items that can be discarded during the skirmish phase"[emphasis mine].

All it's saying is that you can play one helm for strength + 2 and Damage + 1, or two helms for Strength + 4 and Damage + 2, or three helms etc. Normally with a character you could not do this.
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July 12, 2017, 12:05:21 PM
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2017, 12:05:21 PM »
That paragraph it horrendous.
There are lots of pages with quotes from Decipher staff, and they're not all perfect.

That said, I think the sentence is perfectly clear: "His ability can even be used to get around the "1 of each type of item" limitation, though only for items that can be discarded during the skirmish phase"[emphasis mine].

All it's saying is that you can play one helm for strength + 2 and Damage + 1, or two helms for Strength + 4 and Damage + 2, or three helms etc. Normally with a character you could not do this.
I know what he was trying to say, but you don't get around the rule. At all. You don't even kind of get around the rule. You never have 2 "of each type of item" on Gamling. Having 1 item at one point in time and 1 at another is nothing like 2 at the same time. If something needs to be explained like it has been here, it's definitely not clear.

July 12, 2017, 12:13:54 PM
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Re: Gamling Warrior of Rohan
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2017, 12:13:54 PM »
That paragraph it horrendous.
There are lots of pages with quotes from Decipher staff, and they're not all perfect.

That said, I think the sentence is perfectly clear: "His ability can even be used to get around the "1 of each type of item" limitation, though only for items that can be discarded during the skirmish phase"[emphasis mine].

All it's saying is that you can play one helm for strength + 2 and Damage + 1, or two helms for Strength + 4 and Damage + 2, or three helms etc. Normally with a character you could not do this.
I know what he was trying to say, but you don't get around the rule. At all. You don't even kind of get around the rule. You never have 2 "of each type of item" on Gamling. Having 1 item at one point in time and 1 at another is nothing like 2 at the same time. If something needs to be explained like it has been here, it's definitely not clear.

Well guys it took me awhile to understand it to until it was explained up a ways. you discard a helm to cancel a skirmish and your opponent prevents that by his response. So now with that Helm gone you can then play another one on Gamling. You repeat discard to cancel, opponent prevents and now we are on our third helm provided  we have that many to play from our hand. Anyway you guys all read that so I know you knew, really did take me awhile to understand that. :-)