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January 26, 2020, 11:04:28 AM
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Re: Larry5000 Questions
« Reply #120 on: January 26, 2020, 11:04:28 AM »
You could give Rumil the archer keyword a dozen different ways and he would still only count as 1 archer because there's still only 1 of him.

January 26, 2020, 11:57:46 AM
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« Reply #121 on: January 26, 2020, 11:57:46 AM »
You could give Rumil the archer keyword a dozen different ways and he would still only count as 1 archer because there's still only 1 of him.
OK thank you

January 26, 2020, 01:54:47 PM
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Re: Larry5000 Questions
« Reply #122 on: January 26, 2020, 01:54:47 PM »
Had he already been an archer I would not have put an Elven Bow on him to begin with.

Exactly what I was looking for. You wouldn't have done it because you know it wouldn't make a companion add to the archery total more than once. Same thing here. Unless a keyword has a number attached to it (e.g., Damage +2 or Hunter 3), getting that keyword more than once doesn't give any additional benefit.

January 27, 2020, 01:03:04 AM
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« Reply #123 on: January 27, 2020, 01:03:04 AM »
Had he already been an archer I would not have put an Elven Bow on him to begin with.

Exactly what I was looking for. You wouldn't have done it because you know it wouldn't make a companion add to the archery total more than once. Same thing here. Unless a keyword has a number attached to it (e.g., Damage +2 or Hunter 3), getting that keyword more than once doesn't give any additional benefit.
Well to be honest I am not sure I knew for a fact it would not add to the archery total, I just would have not done it for the simple fact it would have seemed like a waste if he was already an archer. I would have rather spread the archery wealth to somebody who was not an archer, but I do get where you are coming from. Thank You.
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January 27, 2020, 10:03:52 AM
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Re: Larry5000 Questions
« Reply #124 on: January 27, 2020, 10:03:52 AM »
Consider this: If you give Legolas, Prince of Mirkwood an Elven Bow, would he add two instead of one archery?

The answer, of course, is "no." Phallen created helpful analogies with Armor of the White City on knights.  Still though, the idea of a Vishnu-like elf with a dozen arms firing a half-dozen bows does make me smile.
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January 27, 2020, 10:39:29 AM
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Re: Larry5000 Questions
« Reply #125 on: January 27, 2020, 10:39:29 AM »
Consider this: If you give Legolas, Prince of Mirkwood an Elven Bow, would he add two instead of one archery?

The answer, of course, is "no." Phallen created helpful analogies with Armor of the White City on knights.  Still though, the idea of a Vishnu-like elf with a dozen arms firing a half-dozen bows does make me smile.
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Galadriel BoW (pun intended) + Elven Bow + TtoGG + Nenya + Aiglos + ATAR (+ Ent Draught) + TSotB. Already exists!
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January 27, 2020, 12:29:46 PM
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Re: Larry5000 Questions
« Reply #126 on: January 27, 2020, 12:29:46 PM »
Galadriel BoW (pun intended) + Elven Bow + TtoGG + Nenya + Aiglos + ATAR (+ Ent Draught) + TSotB. Already exists!
Well, if someone was going to do it, it makes sense that it is one of the Calaquendi, with the light of the two trees reflected in her hair.
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January 27, 2020, 12:31:45 PM
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« Reply #127 on: January 27, 2020, 12:31:45 PM »
Well, if someone was going to do it, it makes sense that it is one of the Calaquendi, with the light of the two trees reflected in her hair.
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Man, cannot disagree. And beautifully said. :up:
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January 27, 2020, 02:09:17 PM
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« Reply #128 on: January 27, 2020, 02:09:17 PM »
Speaking of Elves and archery, out of curiosity what has been the most archery one could get at any one time? I guess I am asking about Elves and Elven cards only.  I guess if you included Aragorn and Faramir and gave them each their bows and maybe something in the Rohan line as well you could get even more?

January 27, 2020, 03:23:42 PM
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Re: Larry5000 Questions
« Reply #129 on: January 27, 2020, 03:23:42 PM »
Not sure what the hypothetical archery maximum is, but let's go ahead and do a little bit of guessing.

Galadriel with Elven Bow, The Splendor of Their Banners, and all of the above listed vitality boosts gets you eight archery.
Legolas is naturally an archer. It's Legolas, Nimble Warrior, so you added a threat for an extra archery point. Let's presume you also get Rumil, Brother of Haldir to activate. And you are at a forest, so Orophin, Brother of Haldir activates as well. That's 12.

You have three more Elven Bows you can dish out to various Elven companions. You also might have four copies of Double Shot in hand. So that's 19.

Elven Marksmanship has a heavy cost, but if you have four of those in play, that's eight more archery. That's 27.

If you had an improbable hand also contained four copies of Mirkwood Bowman, you could potentially get an additional 12 archery from that. That's 39.

That's before even mentioning Aragorn with Aragorn's Bow, Faramir with Faramir's Bow, and four copies of Gondor Bowmen. That's 48.

Your opponent played Gothmog, Morgul Leader so you are up to 51.

Of course, he also had a mounted [Raider] Man and Line of Defense in play, so all of those arrows hit Gothmog and your worn-out and exhausted companions have to deal with Mumak Commander on Mumak and Desert Lord with Seasoned Leader.
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January 27, 2020, 04:01:59 PM
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Re: Larry5000 Questions
« Reply #130 on: January 27, 2020, 04:01:59 PM »
Not sure what the hypothetical archery maximum is, but let's go ahead and do a little bit of guessing.

Galadriel with Elven Bow, The Splendor of Their Banners, and all of the above listed vitality boosts gets you eight archery.
Legolas is naturally an archer. It's Legolas, Nimble Warrior, so you added a threat for an extra archery point. Let's presume you also get Rumil, Brother of Haldir to activate. And you are at a forest, so Orophin, Brother of Haldir activates as well. That's 12.

You have three more Elven Bows you can dish out to various Elven companions. You also might have four copies of Double Shot in hand. So that's 19.

Elven Marksmanship has a heavy cost, but if you have four of those in play, that's eight more archery. That's 27.

If you had an improbable hand also contained four copies of Mirkwood Bowman, you could potentially get an additional 12 archery from that. That's 39.

That's before even mentioning Aragorn with Aragorn's Bow, Faramir with Faramir's Bow, and four copies of Gondor Bowmen. That's 48.

Your opponent played Gothmog, Morgul Leader so you are up to 51.

Of course, he also had a mounted [Raider] Man and Line of Defense in play, so all of those arrows hit Gothmog and your worn-out and exhausted companions have to deal with Mumak Commander on Mumak and Desert Lord with Seasoned Leader.
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Unfortunately your opponent played Durin's Bane, so I guess the answer is 0.

January 27, 2020, 09:41:30 PM
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« Reply #131 on: January 27, 2020, 09:41:30 PM »
Still on Archery... With the card Taking the High Ground can you discard more than one character at a time for extra archery total or just the one only?

January 27, 2020, 11:55:09 PM
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Re: Larry5000 Questions
« Reply #132 on: January 27, 2020, 11:55:09 PM »
As long as you pay the cost of a given special ability, you can use that special ability as many times as you want.

January 28, 2020, 03:30:38 AM
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« Reply #133 on: January 28, 2020, 03:30:38 AM »
As long as you pay the cost of a given special ability, you can use that special ability as many times as you want.
As long as you pay the cost of a given special ability, you can use that special ability as many times as you want.
Thank you for that Answer.

Also, amazing, oh how much archery can be obtained if all cards are in the right place.

January 28, 2020, 09:42:55 AM
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Re: Larry5000 Questions
« Reply #134 on: January 28, 2020, 09:42:55 AM »
Also, amazing, oh how much archery can be obtained if all cards are in the right place.
Rather than answering this question, let's ask a much more important question: What reason would you have for ever needing that much archery in a single turn? How much vitality can a shadow player throw out in a single turn, anyways? It's not likely that the shadow player has Gollum, Shelob, Sauron, the Balrog, and whatever handful of 4 vitality minions you are afraid of in the same turn.

I think that we have been, collectively, quite patient with explaining the same concepts repeatedly. But instead of asking other people to solve hypothetical questions for you, why don't you try to create a scenario for the group, like Dain showing us how Pippin, Steadfast Friend could be a major fighter or where we collectively tried to see how strong we could make Smeagol, Slinker?

A lot of players find free people's archery to be an uncreative play-style regardless.
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