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December 13, 2008, 08:02:05 PM
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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2008, 08:02:05 PM »
He has forgiven us. Its our choice as to whether we accept his forgiveness. I mean, if you're sitting in a burning house and a firefighter comes to save you, and you say, "no thanks, I think I'm happy here," don't blame the firefighter when you die.
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December 13, 2008, 08:12:39 PM
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2008, 08:12:39 PM »
Yes, but he also makes us want to become saved by opening our hearts. Think of it this way: Everyone who the fireman reaches really wants to get out the fire once he sees the fireman. ;)

December 14, 2008, 09:02:09 PM
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2008, 09:02:09 PM »
I was beginning to understand, I thought, but GT totally lost me. :D If he forgave us, then why are our souls still considered inherently evil?

December 14, 2008, 09:22:02 PM
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2008, 09:22:02 PM »
There's a transformation at the point we accept his forgiveness.

Like, someone can forgive you for doing something stupid, but you can choose to ignore it.
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December 14, 2008, 09:32:56 PM
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2008, 09:32:56 PM »
So, basically, it's not that our soul is inherently evil, but our sinful heritage is so strong (for that was "The One Sin to rule them all") makes us "ignore" His call, until we decide to listen, which explains why He doesn't judge: as long as you embrace Him, truly embrace Him, you're saved no matter what. I guess it makes a bit more sense, if put this way. Am I still way off?

December 14, 2008, 09:45:13 PM
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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2008, 09:45:13 PM »
If our souls are inherently evil, then why do some of us try to be turn away from evil?

December 14, 2008, 10:57:02 PM
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2008, 10:57:02 PM »
Therein lies considerable debate. I would look up irresistible grace under 5 point Calvinism. That provides, IMO, the most logical explanation. I don't agree completely with Calvinism, but I think there's some truth behind the theory of irresistible grace.
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December 18, 2008, 05:12:02 AM
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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2008, 05:12:02 AM »
I am no theologian so Lurtzy has a point I know that there is an answer I just don't know it.
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