New tread regarding Amsterdam tournament 7th february 2009

[Ringbearer]

Nope, aint coming anymore. Decision stands. Reasons given. Too many broken overpowered crap in standard even after errata.

[Daniro]

I started when shadows was released so I got stuck between the new and the old series. If all the rounds were in old formats it would be very difficult for people like me to even enter the tournament. Because I simply do not have the cards. So I think this Austrian system is a great idea.

To me it's more about playing the game than winning the tournament. Otherwise I wouldn't enter at all, because I know there are more experienced players with better decks.

Then again, I understand that playing against a broken combo is not much fun. But I'll just risk it.


Btw, I don't have a problem with 2 euro more for extra prizesupport.

[Olorin]

I started when shadows was released so I got stuck between the new and the old series. If all the rounds were in old formats it would be very difficult for people like me to even enter the tournament. Because I simply do not have the cards. So I think this Austrian system is a great idea.

To me it's more about playing the game than winning the tournament. Otherwise I wouldn't enter at all, because I know there are more experienced players with better decks.

Then again, I understand that playing against a broken combo is not much fun. But I'll just risk it.


Btw, I don't have a problem with 2 euro more for extra prizesupport.

You got it! I absolutely share your opinion!

[Mc Tono]

2 euro`s so sweat.

I must say I don't `t think I`ll be able to win in the Austrian thingy and therefore (part of ) the box. I have 1 series 19 rare and 2 series 15. that`s it. I share ringbearers opinion about highseries cards. take gilgalad for example. Difficult to win against a namariehunters deck with gil. but hey.....since my Isildur /gandalf pipeweed deck won my first tournament against Gil Estel, MAdgoblin, and others ....everything is possible.....

as for the formats. No changes anymore? I`d really really like to start building!

BTW if anyone misses a few low series commons (or uncs), PM me, because I have a few 1000 extra commons (and uncs) from 1-10 Mostly 1-6. I could bring them for you if you`d like....

[Elrohir]

@Ringbearer: You are going to make my brain fuzzy!
Namarie + Gilgalad discards conditions...well Hobbits remove burdens, Gondor discards possessions etc...
Who cares?
Secret Sentinels discards also shadow conditions, and thats is an old card. So, what is the matter?

We play old cards, old cards are even stronger (sometimes...) as the new ones, and all people can participate in this tournament.

So, my suggestion is:
We can play a fellowship draft, after our "main" Tournament. Only cards from fellowship of the ring, no problems with sites or allies, no problems with cards (because we get them),

[Ringbearer]

I can state my reasons again, but I wont. Know though these are my opinions and I keep to them. I have seen enough play online to notice the power curve in cards. I serious believe any old deck doesnt stand a chance... Imagine whsipers in the dark x4 on saruman, due to mouth... thats fun NOT.

No, I aint coming, and thats it.

[Elrohir]

That does not count  you have still Sleep Caradhras

[Mc Tono]

Namarie + Gilgalad discards conditions..
Who cares?
Secret Sentinels discards also shadow conditions, and that's is an old card. So, what is the matter?

the matter? secret sentinels discards 1 maybe 2 conditions by an exertion AND an ally. not nearly as gruesome as namarie spotting 3 or more hunters! as a condition also replayable with Gil Galad....

sleeping carhadras however........
but still: pulling a ranger(aragorn) like thorongil or a lower series one.....that's a base strength 10 not 8 ..

we`ll see... My prediction is that round 2 will be won by a high series (combination)deck.

[Gil-Estel]

I really think that cards have become stronger over time. But I don't think it should matter. Here are my reasons, though I respect yours Ringbearer:

-Back in the old days all your tournement decks had to be prepared for the worse. You needed conditiondiscard, and couldn't risk to bring a fun deck -at least, if you wanted to win
-Some hardcore shadows that are really evil, can be countered, but hey, if someone wants to play ugly decks, well let them. I know that there are possiblities to do so, but I don't think that people, at least very little people, will bring such an evil deck.
-Namarie is nasty, but there are worse cards and not too difficult ways to counter it. You expect it? Take your precousions
-Saruman's Power, Sleep Caradhras, rest my case....

[Smeagollum]

Besides that all what's mentioned above... I even give you the option that you will only play against a deck with only old cards. We can arrange a paring that you only will play old decks. I can't go further then this. It's to have fun, nothing else. But hey it's now up to you. I will make no more changes to the tournamentformat. I allready begged you to come, but I won't go on my knees. Everybody is giving you good reasons just to come and play and have fun; To meet other players again. This is stuborness.

[Gil-Estel]

Yeah, please come....

[Ringbearer]

Aint coming. Sorry but decision already made. I understand the majority vote counts, but Ihave my rights not to come as well. No need to go on your knees, JW, you're a great guy organising this and I hope you all have fun, but I aint coming.

[Pepin The Breve]

    Hey people, as you may guess i will not be present at this tourney (don´t feel like traveling +10.000Km overseas to join  ) but if you let me i would like to make some comments as i movie block player i´m (well if you don´t let me i think it will be already done).

     First of all, there is no doubt that the cards became increasingly powerfull within the release of the newer sets, you just have to compare the new versions of some cards with the old ones, i will not even mention examples cause i think we all know them. Some Hunters and TD cards are nearly as absurd as Lady Reedemed (ok...not THAT much, but very close) so in standard we have a lot more of "almost broken" combinations than we seem to have at movie block.

    Of course we have very nice filmblock cards like the mentioned Sleep Caradhras and etc. and the old decks may still be competitive. As stated before this tournament should be all about fun (my favorite kind of tournament) but of course people would bring their best cause they still wanna win it. I think that Ringbearer is worried not with the possibility of don´t win, but with the fact that can be no fun if you bring your dear-loved elves/dunland deck just to be slaughtered by the new Gil-Galad bringing a ton of arrows every turn or to see the new Ugluk chop down your non-hunter elves one by one... The funniest game is a close game, even when you lose it. I prefer it by far than an easy win.

    Even with all that said, i would still go with Daniro´s option: i would still join just for the chalenge of face great players! I guess my Dunland, Southrons or Sauron would die horrible most of the times but i would still wanna try! Even without any follower, with all companions with resistance 6 (have an Aragorn with resistence 6 when the new OP versions have 8 just sucks, but what can we do?) and with no hunter, no toil, no muster and no lurker... but what the heck, my guys never had enduring, ambush and whatever and were able to win a lot of games just with the old fierce (ok, Prized Lagan sucks  ) and damage +X!!! So why don´t give them a shot? I would be very proud of a movie block deck that could stand a threat for the newer ones. Besides deckbuild is just one third of the thing: we still have the playing skill and the luck factors...

   Well, i hope that everything goes right for you european people and you have a great tournament (i would like to see the play-by-play posting of the most exciting games  ).

    Good luck to all!!!

[Gil-Estel]

Pepin, well spoken!! You should be renamed into: Pepin, Well-spoken Gentlehobbit...I will try to give you as much feedback as possible!!

[Smeagollum]

The took of Tooks! Welspoken indeed!