New tread regarding Amsterdam tournament 7th february 2009

[Smeagollum]

I open a new tread, because I don't have any overview anymore on the other treads.

In this topic you'll find all information about the tournament and de defenite format which is going to be used.

The tournament  will be hold the 7th of februari at de 2 klaveren in Amsterdam. If you come by car see following link for details:
http://maps.google.nl/maps?hl=nl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=de+2+klaveren+amsterdam&fb=1&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=1&ct=image
If you come by train from Central station take tramnr 13, From Amstelstation take tramnr 12 and from Sloterdijk tramnr 14. Get out at stop "elizabeth wolfstraat" and walk towards the bridge. Adress: De Clercqstraat 136, 1052 NP Amsterdam? - 020 6189125?

The tournament starts at 12.00 CET. Would be 11.00 in UK-time. Please note that you should be there a half hour before!

Tournamentformat:

Round 1 & 2: set 1 - 10 (without set 9, 14, 16 & 19 ): Only ROTK-sites to be used! Ringbearer-skirmishes may be cancelled.
Rounds 3 & 4: Austrian format: New sites (post 10) to be used! Ringbearer-skirmishes may not be cancelled.
Round 5: You may choose between your deck from round 1 & 2  with sitesor from 3 & 4 with sites: As an experiment. All sites  to be used (which only can be rotk and standard as you have to use decks from round 1 & 2 or 3 & 4)), except the old sites which have a newer version (Like Bridge and ettenmoors For the old sites we use the following rules regarding twillight:
Shadowcost site -  cost original region = x (Can't be below 0). X + cost region payed=Y (amount twillight which is generated)
Important note by using sites round 5: You can use sites from one block only, so you can't combine rotk with standard or with tt or with fotr-sites
Ringbearer-skirmishes may not be cancelled.

For the top 8:
Round 6: Standard: Only standard sites to be used. Ringbearer-skirmishes may not be cancelled.



Other Details!

1. There will be an admit one fee of 5 euro. This is because we will play in a commercial cafe and last time we organized a tournament over there everybody brought his own drinks and food and the owner of the cafe was not happy about that. For this admittance-fee you will get 2 cosumptions.

2. Prizesupport: Everybody will get a rare card. 1, 2 and last position will win a Meat miniature (unpainted) from Lotr! And maybe I arrange something for the person with the most creative deck We (actually Legosmurf did) ordered a boostercase from Bloodlines as extra prizesupport.

3. How many people so far . Well a lot of people are not very clear. I asked to pm me so that I can make a list. so far 2 people responded on that. A few people said on the other tread that they would come and I know of hw many people from our group (amsterdam) will play.

4. In the movieblock rb canceling is allowed. For other rules about x-ed cards see current ruling about blockdecks! Bill Ferny may be played as does Lady Galadriel; Keep in mind that some cards do have an errata like Ranger's versatility, Thror's map, Galadriel's mirror, etc. Ulaire Nertea from the first and Aragorn from set the third set were x-ed during filmblock and stay x-ed as do all cards which were x-ed during filmblock. So, you still can play Legolas DH, Shire countryside, cruel Caladhras, as they were limited after filmblock.

Here you can find the official LotR TCG rules in PDF format.

• Starter Rulebook from The Hunters. Use this rulebook to learn how to play if you are new to the game. After you get the hang of LotR TCG, you can move on to reading through the Comprehensive Rules.
• Comprehensive Rules 4.0. Useful as a reference guide, this rulebook goes into fine detail about each phase, contains a glossary and includes errata for cards through King Block. Check here first to settle a rules question or dispute.
• Current Rulings Document (08/13/07). This is a supplement to the Comprehensive Rules and includes errata from Shadows on as well as formats information. Be familiar with the T&D fixes!
• Official Tournament Guidelines. Though slightly outdated, this contains the official documentation for the mulligan rule, as well as... wait for it... tournament guidelines.

5. There's one errata concerning sites: All site 8 from rotk gains the text: Once per game!

4. Please note it's a fairplay tournament. If people forget something we don't put a knife on the fellow's throat. If it's not to far in the game and it happens not to often then please let the person take a step back. The tournament should only have a very high degreement of fun to play with eachother... And yes it's still a tournament!

AUSTRIA FORMAT
Each player may choose for his deck to play one of the following:

FPP 1-10, Shadow 1-10

FPP 1-10, Shadow 7-18

FPP 7-18, Shadow 1-10

FPP 7-18, Shadow 7-18

Editions 9,14,16 and 19 are allway's allowed.
All versions of "the one ring are allowed".
All alternative Ringbearer played as Ringbearer are allowed
(concerning Gandalf, Sam and Faramir)
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Example for OP combos (if sites get mixed):
Hobbit Farmer gets the game text of your site one. Imagine you play old forrest road. So you may heal two elves at the start of every of your turns.... Yes this would be allowed and will make you people more creative. Im not afraid of missusing Golden Hall with Hobbit farmer or the elf-ally, because they require site 1 , 3 or 6. Golden hall still have the tt-sign. So it will not work.

Amsterdam party:
Henk Maul,
Martijn Goedhart,
Andre (don't know his last name)
Menno Kronenberg
Erwin
Myself

responded by pm:
Mctonno

responded on thread:
Bas Melis (with 2 friends)
Jeroen Kassenberg
Marcel Mathijssen
Gil Estel
Mad Goblin
Elrohir (with 2 friends?)
Daniro
Disco Stu

Responded by phone:
Patrick
Eric (no not Minkes, but another Eric)


Possible:

Chris Goedhart
Peter Jackson
Andy Serkis


well maybe not the last 2... but people are allowed to dream don't they

Judge:

Marc Hameleers, Well at least one real Dwarf... hahahaha 


So round about 20. If people are not on the list please MAIL me!!!

FYI... I've invited some more old friends via the old Dutch Forum: http://www.armbell.com/theprancingpony/privmsg.php?folder=inbox&mforum=theprancingpony

I've also contacted Tania from Belgium. I hope Belgium will reply to that!

[Mc Tono]

If this is the will of the council, Mc Tondor will see it done.

for the sitepath calculation. I will try to make a deck that abuses this format like crazy...

Ps. you mention Gil Estels with F(R)iends: the ones that are coming are Mad Goblin and I.

[Mc Tono]

He does not have more friends?  

there is one other friend lotrplayer (Anarion) who prefers the headclass soccer he plays on Saturdays (Berkum)

Especially more girlfriends are more then welcome 

I`ll ask his wife

[Gil-Estel]

than you shouldn't say girlfriends dear Smeagollum, but please, try to keep this topic clean of spam, that way you keep it clean and you can keep your overview.

Edit:

Woohoo, my possey of friends is growing.....

[Daniro]

Hey, I'll be coming too. I'll be a part of Gil-Estel and 'friends'.

[Elrohir]

Sorry, but I am still confused...

How do we play the sites? May we mix TT with FotR sites? May Silinde skirmish at Golden Hall? Can someone explain the following:

As an experiment. All sites to be used, except the old sites which have a newer version (Like Bridge and ettenmoors). For the old sites we use the following rules regarding twillight:
Shadowcost site -  cost original region = x (Can't be below 0). X + cost region payed=Y (amount twillight which is generated)

Is this sitepath meant to be played in round 5? I am really against this!!!! There will be broken combos, you will see it, if you do not trust my words. Its is better to say play either new sites or rotk sites in round 5, but do not mix them together! That can not work well!

I think it is better to play standard in round 5....I know, it is late, but I am not happy with round 5 

What are you opinions?

Round 1&2: Movieblock
Round 3&4: Austria-Format
Round 5&6: Standard     (I think we need 6 rounds, otherwise there will be to many players with equal points)

Advantage: it is less confusing, it is simple there are just 2-3 Decks, we do not need to try the new site-system. 
it is one round more

There is not a lot of prizesupport! I think it would be better to order Hunter, Treachery&Deceit and a Rise of Saruman Display as prizesupport, so every gets some booster, payed by the fee.

Elrohir

[Gil-Estel]

Well it would add to the creativity....

[Smeagollum]

Dear Elrohir,

At last somebody who thinks with me

Well about 6 rounds... I would like to....
But I don't know if other people will be up to that. I discussed this allready in Amsterdam and there the opinion was that the tournament would take to long (break included we came to about 7 hours). What we can do is do a final round (round 6) for top 8?

hmmm, about the sites.... Well I like to experiment. But limit the experiment to rotk-sites to be allowed as well as the new sites, might be a good thing. I hadn't thoght about silinde. On the other hand people can play a site which would discard Silinde. It would add to the creativity as Gil allready mentioned.

And about your request for standard.. I'll add a third option to the last round(S)..

things should now be updated

Elrohir, How do you think about that? Can you send me the rulings for Austrian format?

[Mc Tono]

Round 5: You may choose between your deck from round 1 & 2 or from 3 & 4 or a standard deck:

I assume you mean "deck type" not "deck"

because if you do, round 5-players who want to play a standard deck can come up with a brand new deck and players who choose the round 1&2 or 3&4 option are limited to the exact deck they were playing in that particular round.

Which leads to another question: I can bring 5 different decks and play them all, am I correct?


must say I`m very very exited and looking forward to playing against new players....
 

[Mc Tono]

another question: in the 5th round how will Morgai work for example? What if I play a king site 5 at site 4, will I still have initiative?

And Haradwaith for that matter?

[Smeagollum]

Maccie,

Nope it won't work, You will still need it to be on site 5 for Morgai. And for the other one on site 4.

By the way Elrohir is a good negotiator. So I will change one last time.

I changed round 5 back in the way it was, so all sites can be used. Hobbit farmer and the elven allies don't work with tt- and rotk-sites as they require the tt- and the rotksymbol. Hobbitfarmer can missuse standardsites. But think again, there are shadowcards which can switch sites.

There will be a standardround for top 8! If I'm in top 8 and Elrohir is not he will be allowed to take my place! More then this I can't do, because there are allready 6 people who don't have enough cards for a standard deck and I'm allready building their decks!!! I don't have enough cards to make more decks then for 6 people!

[Gil-Estel]

Smeagollum, first off all, thanks for everything you've done so far, it has been impressive and I know that there is nothing more easy than just to say what's wrong. But...there's a but.

If older sites are being used, there is this possibility of broken decks beyond imagination. I have Nelya, TotNR and a Gollum in my hand. The opponent walks ahead an walks in to my Dagorlad, which will add 3 threats. I play Nelya, switch the site to Northern Ithilien. Then I play Gollum, converting 2 threats in 2 burdens. I exert Nelya a last time in to another site, for example Pelennor Flat, so they have no cards or 4 burdens added at 1 site. Plus, I have both terrorsites back in hand......I really don't think this is a good idea.....

[Smeagollum]

Gil,

We can allways try it out. If it doesn't work, then we know it doesn't work. And I made a little fix there as well. You can only use sites from one block. So you can use either sites from:

Fotr
tt
rotk
Standard

But you are not allowed to combine sites from 2 different blocks.

Also I made a fix about using a site 8 from rotk.

We also thought first of the following rule: That you can only play 1 site a game, so that you can make sitecyclingloops. But that would make the game less fun. Another option instead of using old sites is neglecting sitesymbols on events, conditions, possesions, companions, minions and allies. You may choose between the sites and neglecting symbols. But bare in mind that some people (like Chris and ringbearer) don't have new sites!!!

[Ringbearer]

WEll, considering how the tounrey is developing, I will withdraw... I signed up first since its old set, and it gets more and more towards new stuff which I like a lot less. So I wont join.

[Elrohir]

  I, for example, have just a couple of old cards, so I thinks the tournament is better like it is now. So all people can play. This was one of the resons why we have changed. People, who have more newer cards, and people, who have more older cards. I think it is balanced now.

Actually, we have all rounds playable with old cards!!