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« on: January 12, 2009, 04:47:58 AM »
Okay, here's the deal: I was bored and couldn't sleep for no discernible reason, so I thought "Heck, why not make a DC set?" So here I am! :mrgreen: (Even though I suspect very few people will actually look at this... :roll: )

Previously I've always approached set-making from a bottom-up perspective, ie. I would look for card titles, make text to fit the titles, then assign rarities to the cards until I had a well distributed set. This time I thought I'd try to approach this with a top-down method; I first decided how many cards, how many of each rarity, then how many in each culture of each rarity, then now my job is to make the cards.

So the set breakdown looks like this (with rarity divisions in brackets):

[Ring] - 2 (1/0/1)
[Dwarven] - 10 (4/3/3)
[Elven] - 16 (6/5/5)
[Gandalf] - 20 (8/6/6)
[Gollum] - 16 (8 FP, 8 SH) (6/6/4)
[Gondor] - 14 (5/5/4)
[Isengard] - 2 (1/0/1)
[Men] - 20 (9/6/5)
[Moria] - 5 (1/1/3)
[Orc] - 22 (10/6/6)
[Rohan] - 12 (5/4/3)
[Sauron] - 3 (0/0/3)
[Shire] - 20 (8/6/6)
[Uruk] - 16 (6/6/4)
[Wraith] - 24 (10/8/6)
(W) (sites) - 8 (0/8/0)

Name   Rarity   Number   Type   Culture
•The One Ring, The Doom of All   R   1   The One Ring   The One Ring
The One Ring, The Ruling Ring   C   2   The One Ring   The One Ring
Ancient Halls      C   3   Event • Fellowship   Dwarven
•Durin's Valour   R   4   Condition • Support Area   Dwarven
Dwarven Poleaxe   C   5   Possession • Hand Weapon   Dwarven
•Farin, Dwarven Delegate   U   6   Companion • Dwarf   Dwarven
•Frór, Dwarven Delegate   U   7   Companion • Dwarf   Dwarven
Gimli, Dwarven Delegate   C   8   Companion • Dwarf   Dwarven
•Gimli, Goldentongue   R   9   Companion • Dwarf   Dwarven
•Glóin, Dwarven Delegate   R   10   Companion • Dwarf   Dwarven
Steadfast Companions   U   11   Event • Skirmish   Dwarven
Strength Renowned      C   12   Condition • Support Area   Dwarven
Agility Renowned   C   13   Condition • Support Area   Elven
•Arwen, The Fairest      R   14   Companion • Elf   Elven
Arwen, Maiden of Rivendell   C   15   Companion • Elf   Elven
•Asfaloth, Steed of Rivendell   C   16   Possession • Mount   Elven
•Círdan, Lord of Mithlond   U   17   Companion • Elf   Elven
•Elrond, Lord of Imladris   U   18   Companion • Elf   Elven
Elven Sword   C   19   Possession • Ranged Weapon   Elven
Enchanting Songs   C   20   Event • Fellowship   Elven
Expert Marksmanship   U   21   Event • Archery   Elven
•Galadriel, Exile of Valinor   R   22   Companion • Elf   Elven
•Glorfindel, Lord of the Noldor   R   23   Companion • Elf   Elven
•Haldir, Warrior of Lórien   U   24   Companion • Elf   Elven
•Legolas, Elven Delegate   C   25   Companion • Elf   Elven
•Legolas, Hawkeye   R   26   Companion • Elf   Elven
•The Mirror of Galadriel, Guide for the Wise   R   27   Artifact • Support Area   Elven
Staunch Companions   U   28   Event • Skirmish   Elven
Dazzling Flash   C   29   Event • Skirmish   Gandalf
•Gandalf, Agent of the Valar   C    30   Companion • Wizard   Gandalf
•Gandalf, Mover of All   R    31   Companion • Wizard   Gandalf
•Gandalf's Staff, Wizard's Device   R    32   Artifact • Staff   Gandalf
•Glamdring, Gleaming Cold and White   R    33   Possession • Hand Weapon   Gandalf
Go Back to the Shadow!   R   34   Event • Response   Gandalf
His Voice Boomed   U    35   Event • Maneuver   Gandalf
Intimidate   C    36   Event • Response   Gandalf
Kindled Hearts   U    37   Condition • Unbound Companion   Gandalf
The Last Race   U    38   Event • Regroup   Gandalf
Lighting the Way   C    39   Event • Maneuver   Gandalf
•Narya, Hidden Fire   R    40   Artifact • Ring   Gandalf
The Path of Wisdom   U    41   Condition • Support Area   Gandalf
•Radagast, Traveller in Great Need   U    42   Companion • Wizard   Gandalf
Strength of Spirit   C    43   Event • Response   Gandalf
A True Company   R    44   Condition • Support Area   Gandalf
Wisdom Renowned   C    45   Condition • Support Area   Gandalf
Wise Companions   U    46   Event • Skirmish   Gandalf
Wizard's Staff   C    47   Possession • Staff
Word of Command   C    48   Event • Fellowship
Cruel Little Hobbitses   U   49   Event • Skirmish   Gollum
A Dramatic Change   C   50   Event • Skirmish   Gollum
Filthy Little Thieves   C   51   Event • Maneuver   Gollum
•Gollum, Corrupted by the Ring   R   52   Minion   Gollum
•Gollum, Duplicitous Creature   C    53   Minion   Gollum
Grisly Ambitions   U    54   Event • Response   Gollum
•My Precious   R    55   Condition • Support Area   Gollum
Nice Little Hobbitses   U   56   Event • Skirmish   Gollum
Off We Go!   C   57   Event • Maneuver   Gollum
Serving the Master   U   58   Event • Response
•Sméagol, Slippery Creature   R   59   Companion   Gollum
•Sméagol, Sworn to the Precious   C   60   Companion   Gollum
•Sméagol's Promise   R    61   Condition • Support Area   Gollum
We Wants It!   C   62   Event • Skirmish   Gollum
Wickedness   U   63   Condition • Support Area   Gollum
Wretchedness   U   64   Condition • Support Area   Gollum
•Anduril, Sign of the King   R   65   Artifact • Hand Weapon   Gondor
•Aragorn, Last of His Line   R   66   Companion • Man   Gondor
•Aragorn, Longshanks   C   67   Companion • Man   Gondor
Boromir, Steward's Heir   C   68   Companion • Man   Gondor
•Boromir, Valiant Man of the Company   R   69   Companion • Man   Gondor
Elendil! Elendil!   U   70   Event • Maneuver   Gondor
Elendil's Valor   C   71   Event • Maneuver   Gondor
•Faramir, Captain of Minas Tirith   R   72   Companion • Man   Gondor
•Faramir, Steward's Son   C   73   Companion • Man   Gondor
Moving Swiftly   C   74   Event • Regroup   Gondor
Noble Companions   U   75   Event • Skirmish   Gondor
Ranger's Blade   C   76   Possession • Hand Weapon   Gondor
Shield of Minas Tirith   U   77   Possession • Shield   Gondor
Valor Renowned   C   78   Condition • Support Area   Gondor
•Saruman, Blinded by Greed   C   79   Minion • Wizard   Isengard
•Saruman, Fallen Istar   R   80   Minion • Wizard   Isengard
•Bill Ferny, Man of Bree   R   81   Minion • Man   Men
Breeland Herald   U   82   Minion • Man   Men
Breeland Rogue   C   83   Minion • Man   Men
Breeland Spy   R   84   Minion • Man   Men
Breeland Traitor   C   85   Minion • Man   Men
Cunning Men   C   86   Condition • Support Area   Men
Dunland Ambusher   C   87   Minion • Man   Men
Dunland Herald   U   88   Minion • Man   Men
Dunland Outrider   U   89   Minion • Man   Men
Dunland Runner   C   90   Minion • Man   Men
Duplicitous Rogues   C   91   Event • Shadow   Men
Forgetful of Danger   C   92   Condition • Unbound Companion   Men
•Harry Goatleaf, Gate-warden   R   93   Minion • Man   Men
Savage Strength   C   94   Event • Skirmish   Men
Sinister Inquiries   U   95   Condition • Support Area   Men
Spies Everywhere   R   96   Condition • Support Area   Men
Spies From the South   U   97   Event • Response   Men
Under the Ringwraith's Sway   U   98   Event • Shadow   Men
The Wrong Attention   R   99   Event • Skirmish   Men
•Wulf, Warrior of Dunland   C   100   Minion • Man   Men
Awoken in the Darkness   U   101   Event • Shadow   Moria
•The Balrog, Demon of the Ancient World   C   102   Minion • Balrog   Moria
•The Balrog, Nameless Fear   R   103   Minion • Balrog   Moria
•The Balrog's Sword, Weapon of Shadow   R   104   Artifact • Hand Weapon   Moria
•Whip of Many Thongs, Weapon of Flame   R   105   Artifact   Moria
Abandon Hope   C   106   Event • Skirmish   Orc
•Ancient Chieftain, Goblin of Moria   R   107   Minion • Orc   Orc
Cruel Scimitar   C   108   Possession • Hand Weapon   Orc
The Darkness of Moria   R   109   Event • Skirmish   Orc
Endless Host      C   110   Event • Shadow   Orc
Filled with Malice   C   111   Condition • Support Area   Orc
Goblin Mail   R   112   Possession • Armor
Gorbag, Quarrelsome Captain   C   113   Minion • Orc   Orc
Hopeless Dark   U   114   Event • Shadow   Orc
Orkish Assailant   C   115   Minion • Orc   Orc
Orkish Chaser   C   116   Minion • Orc   Orc
Orkish Domain   R   117   Condition • Support Area   Orc
Orkish Herald   U   118   Minion • Orc   Orc
Orkish Hunt   U   119   Event • Response   Orc
Orkish Mining   U   120   Condition • Support Area   Orc
Orkish Pursuer   U   121   Minion • Orc   Orc
Orkish Stalker   C   122   Minion • Orc   Orc
Quarrelsome Orc   R   123   Minion • Orc   Orc
Sentry of Cirith Ungol   C   124   Minion • Orc   Orc
Sharkû, Marauding Captain   R   125   Minion • Orc   Orc
Swarms of Orcs   C   126   Event • Skirmish   Orc
Torment   U   127   Condition • Companion   Orc
Courage Renowned   C   128   Event • Skirmish   Rohan
•Éomer, Éodig   C   129   Companion • Man   Rohan
•Éomer, Forthwith Banished   R   130   Companion • Man   Rohan
•Éowyn, Defender of the People   C   131   Companion • Man   Rohan
•Éowyn, Warrior of Rohan   R   132   Companion • Man   Rohan
•Grimbold, Warrior of Rohan   U   133   Companion • Man   Rohan
Horse of Rohan   C   134   Possession • Mount   Rohan
A Long Road   U   135   Event • Regroup   Rohan
Rohirrim Armor   U   136   Possession • Armor   Rohan
•Théoden, Lord of the Rohirrim   C   137   Companion • Man   Rohan
•Théoden, Strength Renewed   R   138   Companion • Man   Rohan
Valiant Companions   U   139   Event • Skirmish   Rohan
•Mind Shook Free   R   140   Condition • Support Area   Sauron
•Sauron, Always Searching   R   141   Minion • Maia   Sauron
•Sceptre of the Dark Lord, Weapon of Despair   R   142   Artifact • Support Area   Sauron
•Bilbo, Contented Hobbit   R   143   Companion • Hobbit   Shire
•Bond of the Fellowship   U   144   Condition • Support Area   Shire
Brace of Coneys   C   145   Possession   Shire
Daring Renowned   C   146   Condition • Support Area   Shire
Faithful Companions   U   147   Event • Skirmish   Shire
Fear of Discovery   R   148   Event • Response   Shire
•Frodo, Chosen by Fate   R   149   Companion • Hobbit   Shire
Frodo, Mr. Underhill   C   150   Companion • Hobbit   Shire
Get Out of Sight!   U   151   Condition • Support Area   Shire
Hobbit Sword   C   152   Possession • Hand Weapon   Shire
•Pippin, Thain of the Shire   U   153   Companion • Hobbit   Shire
•Merry, The Magnificent   U   154   Companion • Hobbit   Shire
Narrow Escape   U   155   Event • Regroup   Shire
Preparing for the Journey   C   156   Condition • Support Area   Shire
•Sam, Master Gardner   C   157   Companion • Hobbit   Shire
•Sam, The Stout-hearted   R   158   Companion • Hobbit   Shire
Slipping Away   C   159   Event • Skirmish   Shire
•Sting, Ancient Blade   R   160   Possession • Hand Weapon   Shire
Stand As One   R   161   Event • Skirmish   Shire
Stout and Sturdy   C   162   Event • Maneuver or Skirmish   Shire
Berserk Fury   C   163   Event • Skirmish   Uruk-hai
Brood of Isengard   U   164   Event • Shadow   Uruk-hai
Exhaustion   U   165   Condition • Unbound Companion   Uruk-hai
Find the Halflings!   U   166   Event • Assignment   Uruk-hai
Frontal Assault   R   167   Condition • Support Area   Uruk-hai
Hard Pressed   C   168   Condition • Support Area   Uruk-hai
Hunting in Secret   U   169   Condition • Support Area   Uruk-hai
Isengard Herald   U   170   Minion • Uruk-hai   Uruk-hai
Isengard Lackey   U   171   Minion • Uruk-hai   Uruk-hai
Isengard Pathfinder   C   172   Minion • Uruk-hai   Uruk-hai
Isengard Tracker   C   173   Minion • Uruk-hai   Uruk-hai
•Lugdush, Servant of Saruman   R   174   Minion • Uruk-hai   Uruk-hai
Quarrelsome Uruk   R   175   Minion • Uruk-hai   Uruk-hai
Ruination   R   176   Event • Skirmish   Uruk-hai
•Shagrat, Quarrelsome Captain   C   177   Minion • Uruk-hai   Uruk-hai
Warrior of Cirith Ungol   C   178   Minion • Uruk-hai   Uruk-hai
Alone in the Darkness   U   179   Event • Response   Wraith
Aura of Fear   U   180   Condition • Support Area   Wraith
Ceaseless Pursuit   C   181   Event • Maneuver   Wraith
Deadly Fear   R   182   Condition • Support Area   Wraith
Dark Voices   U   183   Event • Maneuver   Wraith
Failing Fellowship   R   184   Event • Skirmish   Wraith
Hunting for the Ring   U   185   Condition • Support Area   Wraith
Nazgûl Steed   C   186   Possession • Mount   Wraith
Relentless Shadows   U   187   Event • Response   Wraith
Secretly Searching   C   188   Event • Shadow   Wraith
Terror   C    189   Condition • Companion   Wraith
Timeworn Blade   U   190   Possession • Hand Weapon   Wraith
The Twilight World   R   191   Event • Response   Wraith
•Úlairë Lemenya, Drawn to Its Power   C   192   Minion • Nazgûl   Wraith
•Úlairë Nertëa, Drawn to Its Power   C   193   Minion • Nazgûl   Wraith
•Úlairë Otsëa, Drawn to Its Power   C   194   Minion • Nazgûl   Wraith
•Úlairë Nelya, Drawn to Its Power   C   195   Minion • Nazgûl   Wraith
•Úlairë Cantëa, Drawn to Its Power   U   196   Minion • Nazgûl   Wraith
•Úlairë Enquëa, Drawn to Its Power   U   197   Minion • Nazgûl   Wraith
•Úlairë Toldëa, Drawn to Its Power   R   198   Minion • Nazgûl   Wraith
•Úlairë Attëa, Drawn to Its Power   R   199   Minion • Nazgûl   Wraith
Unearthly Senses   C   200   Condition • Support Area   Wraith
•The Witch-King, Drawn to Its Power   R   201   Minion • Nazgûl   Wraith
•The Witch-King, Shadow of Despair   C   202   Minion • Nazgûl   Wraith
•Amon Hen   U   203   Site   Site
•Anduin Shores   U   204   Site   Site
Frodo's Bedroom   U   205   Site   Site
Galadriel's Glade   U   206   Site   Site
•The Golden Wood   U   207   Site   Site
•Isen Banks   U   208   Site   Site
•Pelennor    U   209   Site   Site
•The Redhorn Gate   U   210   Site   Site

"What are the themes?" you may ask. Well at the moment the only theme I've decided on for definite is a heavy focus on resistance and The One Ring, hence the title of the set.

So, we may as well start with the rare ring:

The One Ring, The Doom of All [Ring]
Str: +1
Vit: +1
Response: If the Ring-bearer is about to take a wound in a skirmish, exert another companion to make him or her wear The One Ring until the regroup phase.
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, each time he or she is about to take a wound, add a burden instead.
"'It is a strange fate we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...'"
R

That was pretty simple. One of the other things I'm looking for in this set is the cleanest designs possible, and in that vain I think we'll have a Ring-bearer:

[2]Frodo, Chosen By Fate [Shire]
Companion • Hobbit
Str: 3
Vit: 4
(Res): 10
Ring-bound.
Skirmish: If Frodo is the Ring-bearer, exert him X times to take off The One Ring, where X is the current region number.
"'Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, in which case you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought.'"
R

Wearing The One Ring as I said above will be key for several strategies.

So that be it for the moment. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. :up:

Thranduil
« Last Edit: May 19, 2009, 04:13:48 PM by Thranduil »

January 12, 2009, 05:16:49 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2009, 05:16:49 AM »

The One Ring, The Doom of All [Ring]
Str: +1
Vit: +1
Response: If the Ring-bearer is about to take a wound, exert another companion to make him or her wear The One Ring until the regroup phase.
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, each time he or she is about to take a wound, add a burden instead.
"'It is a strange fate we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...'"
R

Think this is slightly better than any ring we have seen before. It can be worn at any time and youre more likely to have free wounds on other companions, and you only get 1 burden for taking the wound. This would be by far my choice of ring. I dont think i could suggest a way to tone it down however so i guess id leave it.

[2]Frodo, Chosen By Fate [Shire]
Companion • Hobbit
Str: 3
Vit: 4
(Res): 10
Ring-bound.
Skirmish: If Frodo is the Ring-bearer, exert him 3 times to take off The One Ring.
"'Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, in which case you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought.'"
R

Freakin awesome. Gotta give you a :gp: for that cos it balanced and quite frankly, brilliant. Never seen that done before! :up:
Though with his ability to take off the ring a subtitle more in keeping with still being able to resist its power might be better. Before he reached emyn muil he was still fairly in control and could take it off after that it became impossible without sams help. Something like Resistant Halfling (well thats crap but you get the idea). Nothing wrong with yours im just shooting for flavour.  ;)


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January 12, 2009, 05:19:37 AM
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2009, 05:19:37 AM »
Think this is slightly better than any ring we have seen before. It can be worn at any time and youre more likely to have free wounds on other companions, and you only get 1 burden for taking the wound. This would be by far my choice of ring. I dont think i could suggest a way to tone it down however so i guess id leave it.
Well the first draft of that Ring exerted 2 companions to wear the Ring. Do you think that's better? Also it's worth pointing out that if all other companions are exhausted, this ring can't be worn.

Though with his ability to take off the ring a subtitle more in keeping with still being able to resist its power might be better. Before he reached emyn muil he was still fairly in control and could take it off after that it became impossible without sams help. Something like Resistant Halfling (well thats crap but you get the idea). Nothing wrong with yours im just shooting for flavour.  ;)
Do you think I should exempt region 3 to represent his lowering resistance, or have the ability only work when he has a certain resistance?

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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2009, 05:24:58 AM »


The One Ring, The Doom of All [Ring]
Str: +1
Vit: +1
Response: If the Ring-bearer is about to take a wound, exert another companion to make him or her wear The One Ring until the regroup phase.
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, each time he or she is about to take a wound, add a burden instead.
"'It is a strange fate we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...'"
R

That was pretty simple. One of the other things I'm looking for in this set is the cleanest designs possible, and in that vain I think we'll have a Ring-bearer:

At first glance i must say that i like it, and with some new concept of "parternership" (people would not run it in a solo deck for sure  :hey:) But i rhink the cost it´s a little smaller, exerting one companion to take only one burden seems a little bit powerful. My sugestion is change it to "exert 2 companions" or "2 other companions" to keep even more the parternership idea and keeps it a little more balanced

[2]Frodo, Chosen By Fate [Shire]
Companion • Hobbit
Str: 3
Vit: 4
(Res): 10
Ring-bound.
Skirmish: If Frodo is the Ring-bearer, exert him 3 times to take off The One Ring.
"'Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, in which case you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought.'"
R

Wearing the ring should really be a threat for a higher cost to take it out like this. But i must confess that i like the idea of "not overpower rare cards" appearing in the DC sets (cards that can be good within some strategy but are not all that powerful by itself). So i guess i liked very much this card and the start of your DC set (if you made some adjustamnets at the ring it will become even better), i will take a look more often when i pass by  :up:

Wearing The One Ring as I said above will be key for several strategies.

So that be it for the moment. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. :up:

Thranduil

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2009, 06:17:14 AM »
Well the first draft of that Ring exerted 2 companions to wear the Ring. Do you think that's better? Also it's worth pointing out that if all other companions are exhausted, this ring can't be worn.

2 companions seems too much, so much so it would swing the other way for me to 'never used'. It is so close to being balanced it needs only a fine touch to make it right. Maybe not strength +1?

Do you think I should exempt region 3 to represent his lowering resistance, or have the ability only work when he has a certain resistance?

Hmmm maybe, i suppose if you wanted to take the flavour further that would be a great tie in. I just wanted the subtitle changed lol.

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January 12, 2009, 06:54:04 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2009, 06:54:04 AM »
Yay! Someone else doing a full DC set again! =D>

Quote from: Thranduil
The One Ring, The Doom of All [Ring]
Str: +1
Vit: +1
Response: If the Ring-bearer is about to take a wound, exert another companion to make him or her wear The One Ring until the regroup phase.
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, each time he or she is about to take a wound, add a burden instead.
"'It is a strange fate we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...'"
R

Pepin's idea about exerting 2 companions (including, potentially, the Ring-bearer) is a good one. And/Or perhaps just limit it to a certain phase.

Quote from: Thranduil
[2]Frodo, Chosen By Fate [Shire]
Companion • Hobbit
Str: 3
Vit: 4
(Res): 10
Ring-bound.
Skirmish: If Frodo is the Ring-bearer, exert him 3 times to take off The One Ring.
"'Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, in which case you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought.'"
R

Couple comments. Number 1, why isn't he simply a Ring-bearer? I don't see any reason to use him over Frenzied Fighter as a non-Ring-bearer companion. Maybe give him a Sam-like ability of becoming the Ring-bearer if the RB is killed (with reduced resistance, of course)? THAT would be sweet.

Anyway, here's a thought, though it potentially makes him a little too powerful: exert him X times for the skirmish ability, where X is the current region number. Either that or I'd make it a flat 2 times and require him to have resistance 4ish or more. Either way captures some of that more-difficult-to-take-it-off-later flavor you're talking about. :up:

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January 12, 2009, 07:10:13 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2009, 07:10:13 AM »
   I liked Dàin´s idea abaout the region stuff. I think that exert 2 companions (one could be the RB itself) is nice different cost. You probably will not use it with Isildur, BoH as your RB but i think add some strategy to the play.
   
   Maybe you could raise the vit bonus to +2, that way i think it should be more at the level of the good rares rings (RoD, ATAR, TGR, etc.) because of its cost. But i think that your original idea wasn´t bad either.

January 12, 2009, 07:48:40 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2009, 07:48:40 AM »
It seems im alone in thinking leave it at 1 exertion but tweak something else slightly. All as i know for sure is that if this ring was printed 1 exertion would make it my 1st or 2nd choice, and 2 exertions would mean it never saw any play ever. Im not exerting 2 people just to wear the ring. Id take ring of rings or sawtc any day as you get most of the benefit from them one way or another but without the cost of 2 wounds on people.
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January 12, 2009, 08:07:32 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2009, 08:07:32 AM »
It seems im alone in thinking leave it at 1 exertion but tweak something else slightly. All as i know for sure is that if this ring was printed 1 exertion would make it my 1st or 2nd choice, and 2 exertions would mean it never saw any play ever. Im not exerting 2 people just to wear the ring. Id take ring of rings or sawtc any day as you get most of the benefit from them one way or another but without the cost of 2 wounds on people.

  So maybe if wearing the ring would give it a higher benefits (due to it´s high cost) our Lemon fellow could change his mind...

  As i said i liked the original version of Thranduil, but i think that a ring with a high cost to wear (one thing that you are not supposed to do very often) is really an innovation to the Hall of the rings (well not that innovation...but at least a nice concept).

  For one instance i don´t want to change so much the original idea of Thran, cause after all this is his DC tread, but i just tried to suggest something that i thaught would make the card even more interesting without being unbalanced. Alternate RB like Isildur have a high cost for fighting, for example, but even so he is probably the best RB for, say, knights and other decks. So i like the concept of a powerfull ring (but not OP, of course) with a high cost, meaning that you will wear it only if you really need to do so. There seems to have a difference compared to other good rings like ATAR, TROD: in these you pay the cost to get some extra bonus (strenght bonus at overall) but this new ring is more like Isildur´s Bane or SaWtC when you already have a good fixed bonus but you must handle other difficulties when cames about wearing the ring...

   Well that´s all my 2 cents for now!
« Last Edit: January 12, 2009, 08:10:16 AM by Pepin The Breve »

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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2009, 08:10:53 AM »
  So maybe if wearing the ring would give it a higher benefits (due to it´s high cost) our Lemon fellow could change his mind...

Perhaps Pepin my friend, perhaps... ;D

Id rather not see the cost escalated to escalate the benefit though, as i see it the benefit just needs to be bought down more in line with the current cost. But ony a teensy weensy bit Thran  ;)
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January 12, 2009, 08:18:29 AM
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2009, 08:18:29 AM »
  So maybe if wearing the ring would give it a higher benefits (due to it´s high cost) our Lemon fellow could change his mind...

Perhaps Pepin my friend, perhaps... ;D

Id rather not see the cost escalated to escalate the benefit though, as i see it the benefit just needs to be bought down more in line with the current cost. But ony a teensy weensy bit Thran  ;)

   Well, that´s another option for sure...

   Looking twice i really found that the good is nice at it´s is (of course i still like my and Dain´s suggestions).

    Maybe i could use this mounth of vacation to think about start my own DC set, just for fun, if i could gather some patience and imagination to do so...

January 12, 2009, 08:23:29 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2009, 08:23:29 AM »
    Maybe i could use this mounth of vacation to think about start my own DC set, just for fun, if i could gather some patience and imagination to do so...

Do it!

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January 12, 2009, 11:25:06 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 11:25:06 AM »
Allow me, briefly, to interject my own opinion into this conversation!

I'm not saying this is a great solution to balancing the Ring, but what if it said "exert a Ring-bound companion" instead of just any other companion? That would slightly elevate the cost without stripping it of its power.

As for Frodo, I think with the lore you've chosen Dain's idea for Frodo gaining the Ring would be awesome but not practical. That would ruin corruption decks forever... Oh, look, my Isildur died... Frodo has the Ring! Oh, look, my Frodo died... Sam has the Ring!

I think Frodo is fine, although it is odd that he isn't just a Ring-bearer since there's no reason to use him otherwise.

January 12, 2009, 11:37:52 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2009, 11:37:52 AM »
Quote from: menace64
As for Frodo, I think with the lore you've chosen Dain's idea for Frodo gaining the Ring would be awesome but not practical. That would ruin corruption decks forever... Oh, look, my Isildur died... Frodo has the Ring! Oh, look, my Frodo died... Sam has the Ring!

Hmmmm...hadn't thought about using Sam as a third layer. :-k Perhaps, if you go with my suggestion, prohibit the Ring from being transferred from Frodo once he has it?

Something like this, perhaps:

[2]Frodo, Chosen By Fate [Shire]
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Ringed Resistance: 10
Ring-bound.
Skirmish: If Frodo is the Ring-bearer, exert him X times to take off The One Ring, where X is the current region number.
Response: If the Ring-bearer is killed, make Frodo the Ring-bearer (resistance 5); no other companion may be the Ring-bearer until the end of the game.
"'Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, in which case you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought.'"
R

I think the response ability works. The first part doesn't HAVE to specify OTHER Ring-bearers, because if Frodo already IS the Ring-bearer and is killed, then obviously the response ability can't trigger, so it covers only other Ring-bearers anyway (saving us lengthy "If Frodo is not the Ring-bearer and..." type text.

The second part prevents Sam (or anyone else) from then becoming Frodo's Ring-bearing backup; once Frodo gets the Ring, that's it...no more transferring it after that.

Yes, he's rather complicated now, but I also think very cool. Versatility is awesome. :up:
« Last Edit: January 12, 2009, 11:47:55 AM by DáinIronfoot »
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January 12, 2009, 11:39:24 AM
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2009, 11:39:24 AM »
But that's clunky and ultimately unnecessary. There's no real need for another secondary Ring-bearer. People who want one run Sam and Sam does his job well.

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