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January 16, 2009, 12:58:44 AM
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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2009, 12:58:44 AM »

[2]Gandalf's Staff, Wizard's Device [Gandalf]
Artifact • Staff
Vit: +1
Bearer must be Gandalf.
At the start of the maneuver phase, you may add [2] to take a [Gandalf] spell into hand from your discard pile.
"'I once knew every spell in all the tongues of Elves or Men or Orcs...'"
L R 32

Wicked sweet.

[2]Glamdring, Glowing Cold and White [Gandalf]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Str: +2
Bearer must be Gandalf.
He is damage +1.
Each time Gandalf wins a skirmish, you may remove up to [4].
"From out of the shadow a red sword leaped flaming. Glamdring glittered white in answer."
L R 33

Probably upto 3 would be more balanced, but interesting.

(0)Narya, Hidden Fire [Gandalf]
Artifact • Ring
Vit: +1
Bearer must be Gandalf.
Response: If a Shadow card is about to add any number of twilight tokens, exert Gandalf to prevent that.
"'I am the servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame or Anor.'"
L R 40

Wow that seems awfully powerful, not sure if thats too good of an ability to have on gandy at all times...

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January 16, 2009, 01:53:44 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2009, 01:53:44 AM »
I didn't want Glamdring removing a random amount because I think that significantly reduces its helpfulness with Mover of All. I was also a bit uneasy about Narya reducing Gandalf's vitality when he's trying to keep the twilight pool at a number he likes, so I changed it according to FM's suggestion.

Thanks guys!

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January 16, 2009, 03:02:48 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2009, 03:02:48 AM »
I think it's time for another 2 cards here. I will update them with lores as soon as I have access to a copy of the Lord of the Rings (which will be in a few hours).

In many ways, this set is about Gandalf and so it seems like a reasonable place to start. Here are the 2 copies of Gandalf in the set. The second one is based on a crazy card I made in the Never-ending DC threat - weird strategy, but let me know what you think!

[4]Gandalf, Agent of the Valar [Gandalf]
Companion • Wizard
Str: 7
Vit: 4
Res: 8
Defender +1.
Each other unbound companion is resistance +2.
"They came therefore in the shape of Men, though they were never young and aged only slowly, and they had many powers of mind and hand."
L C 30
I liked it, but i think the defender +1 should have a cost, like Maneuver: "Exert Gandalf to make him defender +1" or it would be too damned good!

[4]Gandalf, Mover of All [Gandalf]
Companion • Wizard
Str: 7
Vit: 4
Res: 8
While the number of twilight tokens is equal to Gandalf's strength, Shadow events may not be played.
While the number of twilight tokens is equal to Gandalf's vitality, he cannot take wounds.
While the number of twilight tokens is equal to Gandalf's resistance, burdens may not be added by Shadow cards.
"'For... this is his victory.'"
L R 31
Just love this guy! Really interesting idea. But you have to be aware to not throw in too many cards with easy pool manipulating, or he will be totally broken (specially against corruptions and burdens decks).

January 16, 2009, 03:20:25 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2009, 03:20:25 AM »
Great stuff, though I'm not sure I really get the theme. Do you have any set keywords or mechanics that tie the set together?
I actually decided against using any new keywords because one of the things I want to do with this set is explore already existing simple design space, which I think there's a lot of. This might turn into a block, though, in which case there might be a new keyword in the second set. As for mechanics, the overriding themes are resistance and wearing The One Ring.

Now some cards which are currently designed with the Mover of All in mind. I'm not sure if that's going to stay that way or not, but never mind.

[2]Gandalf's Staff, Wizard's Device [Gandalf]
Artifact • Staff
Vit: +1
Bearer must be Gandalf.
At the start of the maneuver phase, you may add [2] to take a [Gandalf] spell into hand from your discard pile.
"'I once knew every spell in all the tongues of Elves or Men or Orcs...'"
L R 32
I think you should limit it to Skirmish...otherwise you can have total sitepath control with gandy in standard, but i guess that may not be THAT bad... In expanded it would be total brokeness! But agian, i guess expanded IS about total brokeness...
[2]Glamdring, Glowing Cold and White [Gandalf]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Str: +2
Bearer must be Gandalf.
He is damage +1.
Each time Gandalf wins a skirmish, you may remove up to [3].
"From out of the shadow a red sword leaped flaming. Glamdring glittered white in answer."
L R 33
Looks fine to me.
(0)Narya, Hidden Fire [Gandalf]
Artifact • Ring
Vit: +1
Bearer must be Gandalf.
Response: If a Shadow card is about to add any number of twilight tokens, discard a [Gandalf] card from hand to prevent that.
"'I am the servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame or Anor.'"
L R 40
I think it´s better with the discard a [Gandalf] card from hand as the cost.
I know there's some debate on what the lore on that Narya is actually referring to, but I'm going to assume for the purposes of this card that he's talking about his ring! :mrgreen:

January 16, 2009, 09:16:05 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2009, 09:16:05 AM »
Great stuff, though I'm not sure I really get the theme. Do you have any set keywords or mechanics that tie the set together?
I actually decided against using any new keywords because one of the things I want to do with this set is explore already existing simple design space, which I think there's a lot of. This might turn into a block, though, in which case there might be a new keyword in the second set. As for mechanics, the overriding themes are resistance and wearing The One Ring.

Now some cards which are currently designed with the Mover of All in mind. I'm not sure if that's going to stay that way or not, but never mind.

[2]Gandalf's Staff, Wizard's Device [Gandalf]
Artifact • Staff
Vit: +1
Bearer must be Gandalf.
At the start of the maneuver phase, you may add [2] to take a [Gandalf] spell into hand from your discard pile.
"'I once knew every spell in all the tongues of Elves or Men or Orcs...'"
L R 32
sweet!

[2]Glamdring, Glowing Cold and White [Gandalf]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Str: +2
Bearer must be Gandalf.
He is damage +1.
Each time Gandalf wins a skirmish, you may remove up to [3].
"From out of the shadow a red sword leaped flaming. Glamdring glittered white in answer."
L R 33
you know, re move or add would be cool with cards like under the living earth

(0)Narya, Hidden Fire [Gandalf]
Artifact • Ring
Vit: +1
Bearer must be Gandalf.
Response: If a Shadow card is about to add any number of twilight tokens, discard a [Gandalf] card from hand to prevent that.
"'I am the servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame or Anor.'"
L R 40
I disagree ;)
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January 17, 2009, 10:11:08 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Gandalf!
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2009, 10:11:08 AM »
Okay, that was Gandalf's gear. Now onto some of Gandalf's toolbox:

One of the things I was looking to do in this set was to accentuate the strengths of each particular culture with very simple designs. Now one of the things Gandalf has always been good at is a toolbox, and that is why I felt that reprinting these cards were important (also with new lores! 8-) ).

[2] Intimidate [Gandalf] (reprint)
Event • Response
Spell.
If a companion is about to take a wound, spot Gandalf to prevent that wound.
"There was a ringing clash and a stab of white fire. The Balrog fell back, and its sword flew up in molten fragments."
L C 36

[1] Strength of Spirit [Gandalf] (reprint)
Event • Response
Spell.
If a companion is about to exert, spot Gandalf to place no token for that exertion.
"‘He cannot stand alone!'"
L C 43

Other strengths of the [Gandalf] culture is fellowship condition discard and, especially in this set, supporting companions with high resistance. Word of Command is now straight better than Introspection. Do you think that's a problem?

[2] Word of Command [Gandalf]
Event • Fellowship
Spell.
Spot a [Gandalf] Wizard to discard a condition.
"‘The door burst in pieces… All the wall gave way, and the roof of the chamber as well, I think.'"
L C 48

[1] Kindled Hearts [Gandalf]
Condition • Unbound Companion
Res: +2
Spell.
To play, spot a [Gandalf] Wizard. Limit 1 per bearer.
"‘With Dwarf and Hobbit, Elves and Men, / with mortal and immortal folk, / with bird on bough and beast in den, / in their own secret tongues he spoke.'"
L U 37

NOTE: I'm also trying out a new notation here. Just like support area conditions have where they're played as a sub-type, I thought other conditions should follow suit.

And now for a much crazier card! :hey:

(0) Go Back to the Shadow! [Gandalf]
Event • Response
If a Shadow event is played, exert a [Gandalf] Wizard to cancel that event.
You may play this event from your discard pile. If you do, then place the Wizard you exerted in the dead pile.
"With a terrible cry the Balrog fell forward, and its shadow plunged down and vanished."
L R 34
« Last Edit: January 20, 2009, 05:34:48 AM by Thranduil »

January 17, 2009, 02:08:53 PM
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« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2009, 02:08:53 PM »
I think the alternate cost is to steep considering that it has a specific timing, but I like it a lot, I miss having a lot of response actions, LotR really didn't quite explore that space.

January 17, 2009, 03:48:56 PM
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[2] Word of Command [Gandalf]
Event • Fellowship
Spell.
Spot a [Gandalf] Wizard with resistance 6 or more to discard a condition.
"‘The door burst in pieces… All the wall gave way, and the roof of the chamber as well, I think.'"
L C 48
fine

[1] Kindled Hearts [Gandalf]
Condition • Unbound Companion
Res: +2
Spell.
To play, spot a [Gandalf] Wizard. Limit 1 per bearer.
"‘With Dwarf and Hobbit, Elves and Men, / with mortal and immortal folk, / with bird on bough and beast in den, / in their own secret tongues he spoke.'"
L U 37
interesting.. its certainly a new way to format it... even better make it add vitality too ;) IDK up to you.

(0) Go Back to the Shadow! [Gandalf]
Event • Response
If a Shadow event is played, exert a [Gandalf] Wizard to cancel that event.
You may play this event from your discard pile. If you do, then place that Wizard in the dead pile.
"With a terrible cry the Balrog fell forward, and its shadow plunged down and vanished."
L R 34
I'd say simply spotting him MIGHT be ok.  than make it cost 1...
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January 19, 2009, 01:18:16 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Gandalf!
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2009, 01:18:16 AM »

[2] Word of Command [Gandalf]
Event • Fellowship
Spell.
Spot a [Gandalf] Wizard to discard a condition.
"‘The door burst in pieces… All the wall gave way, and the roof of the chamber as well, I think.'"
L C 48

 :up:

[1] Kindled Hearts [Gandalf]
Condition • Unbound Companion
Res: +2
Spell.
To play, spot a [Gandalf] Wizard. Limit 1 per bearer.
"‘With Dwarf and Hobbit, Elves and Men, / with mortal and immortal folk, / with bird on bough and beast in den, / in their own secret tongues he spoke.'"
L U 37

Fine.

(0) Go Back to the Shadow! [Gandalf]
Event • Response
If a Shadow event is played, exert a [Gandalf] Wizard to cancel that event.
You may play this event from your discard pile. If you do, then place that Wizard in the dead pile.
"With a terrible cry the Balrog fell forward, and its shadow plunged down and vanished."
L R 34

I feel the sentences are in the wrong order which makes it unclear which wizard you mean. Interesting idea though. Crazy balance.

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January 19, 2009, 05:43:02 AM
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« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2009, 05:43:02 AM »
I feel the sentences are in the wrong order which makes it unclear which wizard you mean. Interesting idea though. Crazy balance.
The thing is, I was trying to word it in a way that you didn't place the Wizard in the dead pile before you exerted him... :-k

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January 19, 2009, 06:31:03 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2009, 06:31:03 AM »
"If you do, then place the Wizard you exerted in the dead pile" would work. I STILL think it "might" be a bit harsh, though.

January 19, 2009, 06:35:06 AM
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« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2009, 06:35:06 AM »
"If you do, then place the Wizard you exerted in the dead pile" would work. I STILL think it "might" be a bit harsh, though.
Well, the reason I thought not was because having wizards in your dead pile is not the handicap that it is for any other companion; after all there's Sent Back, Well Met Indeed, Pinnacle of Zirakzigil. Would it be less harsh if the card didn't need an exertion but cost twilight instead?

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January 21, 2009, 03:05:45 AM
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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2009, 03:05:45 AM »
Okay, while I'm thinking through keywords in the other thread, I thought I'd post some cards which are very unlikely to change with the introduction of new keywords. First a card which is in the vein of Our Time.

(0)A True Company [Gandalf]
Condition • Support Area
To play, exert a [Gandalf] Wizard and remove 2 burdens.
If a companion is killed, remove this condition from the game and add 3 burdens.
"‘Then it has all been in vain! The Fellowship has failed.' ‘Not if we hold true to each other.'"
L R 44

And now we'll see why is it that all the cards play off [Gandalf] Wizards and not just Gandalf! Given that there's a Radagast, I thought it was important that there was some possession that he could bear (hence the reprint) and also that there would be something common for Gandalf to bear as well.

[2] Wizard's Staff [Gandalf] (reprint)
Possession • Staff
Str: +1
Bearer must be a Wizard.
Skirmish: Exert bearer twice to make a minion strength -3.
"At that moment Gandalf lifted his staff, and crying aloud he smote the bridge before him."
L C 47

[4]Radagast, Traveller in Great Need [Gandalf]
Companion • Wizard
Str: 8
Vit: 4
Res: 6
Unhasty (Radagast may not be assigned to a skirmish by the Free Peoples player unless a [Gandalf] card allows him to do so).
While you can spot Gandalf, Radagast's twilight cost is -2.
Each time you play a [Gandalf] event, Radagast loses unhasty until the regroup phase.
"‘Gandalf!' he cried. ‘I was seeking you. But I am a stranger in these parts.'"
L U 42

I'm not sure at all about this Radagast. I was originally thinking of making him cost (0) with "To play, spot Gandalf" but I wasn't sure that with BoO out there this would be too good. Or maybe that would work if his unhasty was more difficult to get around. What do you think?
« Last Edit: January 21, 2009, 03:08:46 AM by Thranduil »

January 21, 2009, 03:34:39 AM
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« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2009, 03:34:39 AM »

(0)A True Company [Gandalf]
Condition • Support Area
To play, exert a [Gandalf] Wizard and remove 2 burdens.
If a companion is killed, remove this condition from the game and add 3 burdens.
"‘Then it has all been in vain! The Fellowship has failed.' ‘Not if we hold true to each other.'"
L R 44

How do you expect to get rid of this before a companion dies?

[4]Radagast, Traveller in Great Need [Gandalf]
Companion • Wizard
Str: 8
Vit: 4
Res: 6
Unhasty (Radagast may not be assigned to a skirmish by the Free Peoples player unless a [Gandalf] card allows him to do so).
While you can spot Gandalf, Radagast's twilight cost is -2.
Each time you play a [Gandalf] event, Radagast loses unhasty until the regroup phase.
"‘Gandalf!' he cried. ‘I was seeking you. But I am a stranger in these parts.'"
L U 42

I quite like him to be honest, though being able to start him with leader of men or BoO is the only advantage to him and is heavily offset by having to use a gandalf fellowship or manuever event to allow him to fight.

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January 21, 2009, 10:49:54 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - A new DC set from Thranduil
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2009, 10:49:54 AM »
Okay, while I'm thinking through keywords in the other thread, I thought I'd post some cards which are very unlikely to change with the introduction of new keywords. First a card which is in the vein of Our Time.

(0)A True Company [Gandalf]
Condition • Support Area
To play, exert a [Gandalf] Wizard and remove 2 burdens.
If a companion is killed, remove this condition from the game and add 3 burdens.
"‘Then it has all been in vain! The Fellowship has failed.' ‘Not if we hold true to each other.'"
L R 44
VERY interesting...I'd say readding the 2 would be fine, its still an exertion.  its good as is though

[4]Radagast, Traveller in Great Need [Gandalf]
Companion • Wizard
Str: 8
Vit: 4
Res: 6
Unhasty (Radagast may not be assigned to a skirmish by the Free Peoples player unless a [Gandalf] card allows him to do so).
While you can spot Gandalf, Radagast's twilight cost is -2.
Each time you play a [Gandalf] event, Radagast loses unhasty until the regroup phase.
"‘Gandalf!' he cried. ‘I was seeking you. But I am a stranger in these parts.'"
L U 42
the other one just seems to much better....though you COULD start him with leader of men...I'm not sure. I'll have to see more.
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