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May 14, 2009, 08:08:14 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #360 on: May 14, 2009, 08:08:14 AM »
The new HftR is much, much better. :up:

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[4]Úlairë Lemenya, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 9
Vit: 2
Sit: 3
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, Úlairë Lemenya is strength +3 and fierce..
"His enemies laughed at him with a harsh and chilling laughter."
L C 195

[5]Úlairë Nelya, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 10
Vit: 3
Sit: 2
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, Úlairë Nelya is fierce and an aggressor (for each aggressor assigned to a skirmish, each Shadow card is twilight cost -1).
"… three or four tall black figures were standing there on the slope, looking down on them."
L C 196

[4]Úlairë Otsëa, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 9
Vit: 3
Sit: 3
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, each unbound companion is resistance -2.
"Terror overcame Merry and Pippin, and they threw themselves flat on the ground."
L U 198

I actually think these guys are rather...meh. I'd like them better if they were fierce by default and gained twilight (along with the other benefits listed) while the Ring was on. Yes, I know you have twilight covered by CotR, but it would still add a nice flavor to these guys, who could basically have their own built-in CotR then instead and possibly save on deck space.

So, Lemenya would gain strength +3 and twilight, Nelya would gain aggressor and twilight, and Otsëa would still make companions lose resistance but gain twilight as well. All would start out fierce, and thus still have a little more use if things don't go perfectly according to plan. Otherwise I see you kind of throwing them away while you wait for a card that forces the RB to wear the Ring. At least with fierce you'd have decent Nazzies on their own.

Don't get me wrong: I like the overall idea you're going for here. I just think they need a little extra oomph, or else they're pretty useless while you wait for the perfect combo to show up.
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May 14, 2009, 08:48:06 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #361 on: May 14, 2009, 08:48:06 AM »
I take your points, and you could well be right. I'd like to hear some other opinions on this first before I change anything, though. :gp:

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May 14, 2009, 10:22:35 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #362 on: May 14, 2009, 10:22:35 AM »
I think I agree that they could all do with being naturally fierce. Non-fierce nazgul are generally not very useful. I would however leave off twilight for your condition (which I love by the way, and can't believe that that card has never been made before! That's what In Twilight should have done).

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May 15, 2009, 02:04:27 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #363 on: May 15, 2009, 02:04:27 AM »
I've changed Hunting for the Ring again, and I really should have thought of this build to start with. Nevertheless, I'm quite happy to have these as bad cards, so I'll move onto some Nazgûl with a common theme:

[4]Úlairë Lemenya, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 9
Vit: 2
Sit: 3
Fierce.
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, Úlairë Lemenya is strength +3.
"His enemies laughed at him with a harsh and chilling laughter."
L C 195

Sound, id add damage +1 with the ring on as well.

[5]Úlairë Nelya, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 10
Vit: 3
Sit: 2
Fierce.
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, Úlairë Nelya is strength +1 and an aggressor (for each aggressor assigned to a skirmish, each Shadow card is twilight cost -1).
"… three or four tall black figures were standing there on the slope, looking down on them."
L C 196

Hmmm i was goin to add something similar to the above, as i feel they arent particulalry good as the rb doesnt often wear the ring. So i suppose it depends on how easy u can force the rb to wear it.

[4]Úlairë Otsëa, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 9
Vit: 3
Sit: 3
Fierce.
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, each unbound companion is resistance -2.
"Terror overcame Merry and Pippin, and they threw themselves flat on the ground."
L U 198

Ditto above, so maybe -3.

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May 15, 2009, 03:02:51 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #364 on: May 15, 2009, 03:02:51 AM »
Hmmm.... I'm not sure what to do about these guys now. I don't really want to put damage +1 on common Wraith cards, so I'm racking my brain to give them something else... I will think on these, and in the meantime any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :gp: to all!

I think I've got to rethink some of the other Nazgûl as well. I'll get back to you. For now, some random cards:

[1] Nazgûl Steed [Wraith]
Possession • Mount
Str: +1
Bearer must be a Nazgûl.
Bearer is an aggressor (for each aggressor assigned to a skirmish, each Shadow card is twilight cost -1).
"At the same moment the black horses leaped down the hill in pursuit..."
L C 186

[1] Timeworn Blade [Wraith]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Bearer must be a [Wraith] minion.
Bearer is strength +1 for each wound on the Ring-bearer.
"Swords were naked in their pale hands…"
L U 190

[2] Deadly Fear [Wraith]
Condition • Support Area
Spell.
While the Ring-bearer is wearing The One Ring, each companion skirmishing a Nazgûl loses unyielding and cannot gain unyielding.
If this card is foreseen, you may spot a [Wraith] card and discard this card to add a burden.
"‘Suddenly I shivered and felt that something horrible was creeping near…'"
L R 182

Now I wanted a card that made people lose unyielding, but I wasn't sure what the trigger should be (burdens seem a little weird because that's exactly what they're immune to!). Any better thoughts?
« Last Edit: May 16, 2009, 06:05:39 PM by Thranduil »

May 15, 2009, 05:55:27 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #365 on: May 15, 2009, 05:55:27 AM »
Quote from: Thranduil
Hmmm.... I'm not sure what to do about these guys now. I don't really want to put damage +1 on common Wraith cards, so I'm racking my brain to give them something else... I will think on these, and in the meantime any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
I think that, as commons, they're fine as is. If they were uncommon (or better), then yes, they might need a little more. But I don't think you need to change a thing, personally.

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[1] Nazgûl Steed [Wraith]
Possession • Mount
Str: +1
Bearer must be a Nazgûl.
Bearer is an aggressor (for each aggressor assigned to a skirmish, each Shadow card is twilight cost -1).
"At the same moment the black horses leaped down the hill in pursuit..."
L C 186
Good enough.

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[1] Timeworn Blade [Wraith]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Bearer must be a [Wraith] minion.
Bearer is strength +1 for each wound on the Ring-bearer.
"Swords were naked in their pale hands…"
L U 190
Should "timeworn" be one word? :-k Otherwise seems fine. I love this with the old-school twilight Nazzies. :twisted:

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[2] Deadly Fear [Wraith]
Condition • Support Area
Spell.
While you can spot 3 burdens, each companion skirmishing a Nazgûl loses unyielding and cannot gain unyielding.
If this card is foreseen, you may spot a [Wraith] card and discard this card to add a burden.
"‘Suddenly I shivered and felt that something horrible was creeping near…'"
L R 182
I like how it sets itself up. I would use it for the burden-adding, but the other (main?) part is a nice bonus, I suppose.
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May 15, 2009, 07:02:22 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #366 on: May 15, 2009, 07:02:22 AM »
Yeah Di has said it all.
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May 15, 2009, 07:55:43 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #367 on: May 15, 2009, 07:55:43 AM »
[1] Nazgûl Steed [Wraith]
Possession • Mount
Str: +1
Bearer must be a Nazgûl.
Bearer is an aggressor (for each aggressor assigned to a skirmish, each Shadow card is twilight cost -1).
"At the same moment the black horses leaped down the hill in pursuit..."
L C 186

For flavor, I'd discard the mounts if at a River. ;)

[1] Timeworn Blade [Wraith]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Bearer must be a [Wraith] minion.
Bearer is strength +1 for each wound on the Ring-bearer.
"Swords were naked in their pale hands…"
L U 190

I don't like an uncommon weapond with a cost than can give no bonus if the setting is not right. I'd change it a bit and give it inherent strength, plus part of Ulaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight's text, giving a damage +1 bonus for 2 wounds on the Ring-bearer.

[2] Deadly Fear [Wraith]
Condition • Support Area
Spell.
While you can spot 3 burdens, each companion skirmishing a Nazgûl loses unyielding and cannot gain unyielding.
If this card is foreseen, you may spot a [Wraith] card and discard this card to add a burden.
"‘Suddenly I shivered and felt that something horrible was creeping near…'"
L R 182

Wounds on the ring-bearer?

May 15, 2009, 10:09:35 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #368 on: May 15, 2009, 10:09:35 AM »
Some interesting thoughts here, I will think on them. But I also am going to post more stuff for the weekend:

[4]Úlairë Nertëa, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 9
Vit: 2
Sit: 3
Fierce.
Each time Úlairë Nertëa wins a skirmish, you may exert him to wound the Ring-bearer.
"He reined his horse in, and halted, swaying in his saddle."
L C 197

[6]Úlairë Enquëa, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 11
Vit: 4
Sit: 3
Fierce.
When you play Úlairë Enquëa, you may foresee 1 for each companion over 6.
Each time Úlairë Enqëa wins a skirmish, you may exert him to wound the Ring-bearer.
"… they saw on the top of the hill something small and dark against the glimmer of the moonrise."
L U 194

[6]Úlairë Toldëa, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 12
Vit: 3
Sit: 3
Fierce.
While the Ring-bearer is exhausted, Úlairë Toldëa's twilight cost is -3.
Response: If the Ring-bearer puts on The One Ring, exert a Nazgûl to play Úlairë Toldëa from your discard pile.
"There seemed no chance of reaching the Ford before he was cut off by the others that had lain in ambush."
L R 199
« Last Edit: May 16, 2009, 02:37:36 PM by Thranduil »

May 15, 2009, 10:30:58 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #369 on: May 15, 2009, 10:30:58 AM »
Quote from: Thranduil
[4]Úlairë Nertëa, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 9
Vit: 2
Sit: 3
Fierce.
Each time Úlairë Nertëa wins a skirmish, you may exert him to wound the Ring-bearer.
"He reined his horse in, and halted, swaying in his saddle."
L C 197
I know you're not a fan of commons having two abilities, but perhaps tie him in with the other commons by healing him whenever the Ring-bearer puts on The Ring? It's okay as is, especially for a common, but that would REALLY make things interesting. :twisted:

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[6]Úlairë Enquëa, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 11
Vit: 4
Sit: 3
Fierce.
When you play Úlairë Enquëa, you may foresee 1 for each companion over 6.
Each time Úlairë Enqëa wins a skirmish, you may exert him to wound the Ring-bearer.
"… they saw on the top of the hill something small and dark against the glimmer of the moonrise."
L U 194
With Enquëa's high vitality, the direct wounding seems a little too harsh here. Perhaps exert him twice, or change the RB wounding to exerting.

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[6]Úlairë Toldëa, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 12
Vit: 3
Sit: 3
Fierce.
While the Ring-bearer is exhausted, Úlairë Toldëa's twilight cost is -3.
Skirmish: If the Ring-bearer is wearing The One Ring, spot a Nazgûl to play Úlairë Toldëa from your discard pile.
"There seemed no chance of reaching the Ford before he was cut off by the others that had lain in ambush."
L R 199
Ah, and now all that wounding/exerting comes together. I'm back on forth on the balance of the skirmish ability, since he'd be limited to fierce skirmishes, but I still think that exerting the other Nazzie (or spotting more than one) would be better.

Overall, though, good stuff! :up:
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May 15, 2009, 12:34:45 PM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #370 on: May 15, 2009, 12:34:45 PM »
[4]Úlairë Nertëa, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 9
Vit: 2
Sit: 3
Fierce.
Each time Úlairë Nertëa wins a skirmish, you may exert him to wound the Ring-bearer.
"He reined his horse in, and halted, swaying in his saddle."
L C 197

Nice. However, this particular set of abilities tends to fit in better with the twilight nazgul, I'd consider making them twilight.

[6]Úlairë Enquëa, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 11
Vit: 4
Sit: 3
Fierce.
When you play Úlairë Enquëa, you may foresee 1 for each companion over 6.
Each time Úlairë Enqëa wins a skirmish, you may exert him to wound the Ring-bearer.
"… they saw on the top of the hill something small and dark against the glimmer of the moonrise."
L U 194

Ditto.

[6]Úlairë Toldëa, Drawn to Its Power [Wraith]
Minion • Nazgûl
Str: 12
Vit: 3
Sit: 3
Fierce.
While the Ring-bearer is exhausted, Úlairë Toldëa's twilight cost is -3.
Skirmish: If the Ring-bearer is wearing The One Ring, exert a Nazgûl to play Úlairë Toldëa from your discard pile.
"There seemed no chance of reaching the Ford before he was cut off by the others that had lain in ambush."
L R 199

I'd make it a response action, rather. If the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, you get to sneak him into play, regarless of which phase they're in.

May 18, 2009, 07:52:12 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #371 on: May 18, 2009, 07:52:12 AM »
I will meditate on those first two, and I've changed Toldëa, so thanks guys! :gp:

I think this is the penultimate set of new cards for this set! :'( But I'm hoping they're quite good. I suppose I could have kept a flashy rare for the end... Oh wait, I think I did! ;) But that will be next time. For now, I think mainly random cards. These cards are quite splashable and are meant to be - if you think it's a bit too much, do tell me.

[2] Alone in the Darkness [Wraith]
Event • Skirmish
Search. Twilight.
Spot a [Wraith] minion to make a minion strength +2. Then, if the Ring-bearer is wearing The One Ring, add a burden.
"‘In dark and loneliness they are strongest…'"
L U 179

[2] Ceaseless Pursuit [Wraith]
Event • Maneuver
Search.
Spot a [Wraith] minion to discard a follower or condition.
"‘They will never stop hunting you.'"
L C 181

[7] Failing Fellowship [Wraith]
Event • Skirmish
This event's twilight cost is -1 for each Nazgûl assigned to a skirmish.
Make a companion (except the Ring-bearer) strength -1 for each companion with resistance 2 or less, and strength -1 for each corrupted companion.
L R 184

I was thinking of making that last card something like "strength -1 for each companion with resistance 2 or less, and strength -1 for each corrupted companion" or perhaps just "strength -3 for each corrupted companion" - what do you guys think?
« Last Edit: May 18, 2009, 12:59:52 PM by Thranduil »

May 18, 2009, 09:16:28 AM
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« Reply #372 on: May 18, 2009, 09:16:28 AM »
[3] Alone in the Darkness [Wraith]
Event • Skirmish
Search. Twilight.
Spot a [Wraith] minion to make a minion strength +2. Then, if the Ring-bearer is wearing The One Ring, add a burden.
"‘In dark and loneliness they are strongest…'"
L C 179

Quite expensive for a spot-based event, I think 2 would be most fine. Then, again, I'd probably bump it up to uncommon, since it's a conditional card that's also multicultural, kind of "complex" for what a common should look like, as far as design goes.

[2] Ceaseless Pursuit [Wraith]
Event • Maneuver
Search.
Spot a [Wraith] minion to discard a follower or condition.
"‘They will never stop hunting you.'"
L C 181

Quite nice.

[7] Failing Fellowship [Wraith]
Event • Skirmish
This event's twilight cost is -1 for each Nazgûl assigned to a skirmish.
Make a companion (except the Ring-bearer) strength -1 for each companion with resistance 2 or less.
L R 184

This is SO expensive! I don't think it's worth playing it, although it IS a well-designed card, from a strictly designer's point of view, not all rares need be staples.

May 18, 2009, 10:20:51 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #373 on: May 18, 2009, 10:20:51 AM »
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[2] Alone in the Darkness [Wraith]
Event • Skirmish
Search. Twilight.
Spot a [Wraith] minion to make a minion strength +2. Then, if the Ring-bearer is wearing The One Ring, add a burden.
"‘In dark and loneliness they are strongest…'"
L U 179
Niftiness!

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[2] Ceaseless Pursuit [Wraith]
Event • Maneuver
Search.
Spot a [Wraith] minion to discard a follower or condition.
"‘They will never stop hunting you.'"
L C 181
Heh. I think I made a card almost identical to this in my last set. I might limit it to Nazzies, but it might be okay as is.

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[7] Failing Fellowship [Wraith]
Event • Skirmish
This event's twilight cost is -1 for each Nazgûl assigned to a skirmish.
Make a companion (except the Ring-bearer) strength -1 for each companion with resistance 2 or less.
L R 184
I think this would be fine at [6], or perhaps even [5]. Either that or, as you suggested, throw in additional strength reducers for "corrupted" companions.
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May 18, 2009, 10:38:05 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Wraith
« Reply #374 on: May 18, 2009, 10:38:05 AM »


[2] Alone in the Darkness [Wraith]
Event • Skirmish
Search. Twilight.
Spot a [Wraith] minion to make a minion strength +2. Then, if the Ring-bearer is wearing The One Ring, add a burden.
"‘In dark and loneliness they are strongest…'"
L U 179
fine.

[2] Ceaseless Pursuit [Wraith]
Event • Maneuver
Search.
Spot a [Wraith] minion to discard a follower or condition.
"‘They will never stop hunting you.'"
L C 181
yeah! follower hate! I might prefer a wraith wraith

[7] Failing Fellowship [Wraith]
Event • Skirmish
This event's twilight cost is -1 for each Nazgûl assigned to a skirmish.
Make a companion (except the Ring-bearer) strength -1 for each companion with resistance 2 or less.
L R 184
probably fine...
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