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February 03, 2009, 06:29:41 AM
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My attempt at some Hobbit cards
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First off i would just like to say that i really enjoy this site.  Thank you so much for maintaining it.  This is my first attempt at some DCs so any and all input would be appreciated.  Here we go with some ideas for some Hobbit cards.

 [2]Bilbo Baggins, Burglar Baggins  [Shire]
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 8 [Ring]
Ring Bound.
At the start of each of your turns, exert Bilbo to reveal the top 4 cards from your draw deck.  You may take a Free Peoples Artifact or Possession revealed into hand.  Shuffle your draw deck.
Bother burgling and everything to do with it!

 [2]Hobbit Hole
Site
Dwelling.
At the start of the Fellowship phase, you may exert a Companion to play an instrument from your draw deck and then shuffle your draw deck.

Just so you know there will be some instruments to come with this Hobbit set i am putting together which should reveal some use for this site's text.

Please feel free to comment on these cards.  Hopefully i will have more to post a bit later.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2009, 08:16:01 AM by Braler »

February 03, 2009, 06:43:02 AM
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Re: My attempt at some Hobbit cards
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2009, 06:43:02 AM »
First off i would just like to say that i really enjoy this site.  Thank you so much for maintaining it.  This is my first attempt at some DCs so any and all input would be appreciated.  Here we go with some ideas for some Hobbit cards.
Other people's DCs are also very much appreciated! :mrgreen:

[2]Bilbo Baggins, Burglar Baggins  [Shire]
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 8
Ring Bearer.
At the start of each of your turns, exert Bilbo to reveal the top 4 cards from your draw deck.  You may take a Free Peoples Artifact or Possession revealed into hand.  Shuffle your draw deck.
Bother burgling and everything to do with it!
If he has the keyword "Ring-bearer", then his twilight cost should be (0) to follow the Frodo model. If, however, you want him to be an alternate Ring-bearer like Galadriel, BoW or Bilbo, BotB, then you should give him the keyword "Ring-bound" and indicate that his resistance is "ringed", normally done on this site by adding [Ring]. Seems interesting, I'm not sure how good it is... The shuffling certainly prevents abuse in [Elven] telepathy decks. I think this guy is fine and interesting, so all in all it gets the Thranduil seal of approval! :up:

(0) Hobbit Hole
Site
Dwelling.
Exert a Companion to play an instrument from your draw deck.(limit 1)  Shuffle your draw deck.
You need to give a phase to that, so you could have it like: "At the start of the fellowship phase, you may exert a companion to play an instrument from your draw deck." For putting twilight tokens on sites, generally it's sensible to follow the rule of "The better a site's game text for the FP player, the higher its Shadow number should be" and "The better a site's game text for the Shadow player, the lower its Shadow number should be." Hence, I would put this one at [2] or [3].

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February 03, 2009, 07:52:34 AM
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Re: My attempt at some Hobbit cards
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2009, 07:52:34 AM »
Thanks for the constructive input.  I made the changes to format that you suggested.  Now here are two more cards that came to me while i was thinking about Hobbit DCs. They were inspired by Elladan and Elrohir.

 [3]Kili, Young Dwarf  [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 5
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Fili is twilight cost -2
While you can spot Fili, Kili is Strength +1 and Damage +1
Maneuver: Exert Kili and add [2] to make Kili and Fili Strength +2 until the Regroup phase.

 [3]Fili, Young Dwarf  [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 5
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Kili is twilight cost -2
While you can spot Kili, Fili is Strength +1 and Damage +1
Maneuver: Exert Fili and add [2] to make Kili and Fili Damage +1 until the Regroup phase.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2009, 07:53:01 PM by Braler »

February 03, 2009, 08:12:23 AM
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Re: My attempt at some Hobbit cards
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2009, 08:12:23 AM »
god, thanks mate  ;D I never have seen such a good comparison in an BALANCED WAY to elladan and elrohir here take :gp: this rocks  :up: BUT your bilbo is a little bit too OP. this abilty needs more drawback. Top 4 cards and only one exertion for taking arti. and possession. boah way too OP. But go on. great idea  ;D

February 03, 2009, 08:39:38 AM
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Re: My attempt at some Hobbit cards
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 08:39:38 AM »
Welcome to the forums, Braler. :)

Fili and Kili look good except for the fellowship ability. Why not start them both in your starting fellowship (as you would Elladan and Elrohir, which Vroengard pointed out)? Perhaps add a card recursion ability (like the Twins) or a strength pump (like the Twins again); or better yet, a new ability altogether. :up:

Again, welcome to the forums and keep up the DCs! :)

February 03, 2009, 10:20:29 AM
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Re: My attempt at some Hobbit cards
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 10:20:29 AM »
Thanks for the constructive imput.  I made the changes to format that you suggested.  Now here are two more cards that came to me while i was thinking about Hobbit DCs. They were inspired by Elladan and Elrohir.

 [3]Kili, Young Dwarf  [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 5
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Fili is twilight cost -2
While you can spot Fili, Kili is Str +1 and Dam +1
Fellowship: Exert Kili and add  [2] to play Fili from your draw deck.
the fellowship ability is unnecasary.  for their stats 2 cost would be fine for both, allowing you to start Durin too!

 [3]Fili, Young Dwarf  [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 5
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Kili is twilight cost -2
While you can spot Kili, Fili is Str +1 and Dam +1
Fellowship: Exert Fili and add  [2] to play Kili from your draw deck.
same above, and I think the abilities could be strength +2 and damage +1.  and it looks more polished if you write them out.

good first ideas, and welcome to the forum :gp:
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February 03, 2009, 10:21:32 AM
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Re: My attempt at some Hobbit cards
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2009, 10:21:32 AM »
god, thanks mate  ;D I never have seen such a good comparison in an BALANCED WAY to elladan and elrohir here take :gp: this rocks  :up: BUT your bilbo is a little bit too OP. this abilty needs more drawback. Top 4 cards and only one exertion for taking arti. and possession. boah way too OP. But go on. great idea  ;D

It's not like hobbits need possessions that much... I think the ability is nice, but after site 4 or 5, I believe it will be rarely used. It's cool for an early setup on the ring bearer, but that's it, so I think you should leave it as it is.

Kili and Fili seem really cool, but I think you should make them do something instead of being two 6 strength companions that pull each other; maybe have them both exert to do cool stuff like one having "exert fili and kili to make them both strength +3" and the other having "exert fili and kili to draw 3 cards"... something dwarvish :D

February 03, 2009, 12:29:51 PM
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 12:29:51 PM »
Thanks for all the replies, some good ideas there.  How do you guys like the changes i made to Kili and Fili? Oh, and the game text on Bilbo applies to any free peoples possession or art so it could be somewhat helpful to most any culture but hopefully not so much so as to throw off balance.  Here are a couple more cards to digest.

 [4]Thorin, Oakenshield  [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Strength: 7
Vitality: 3
Resistance: 5
Damage +1
Skirmish: Exert Thorin to make him Strength +1 for each other Dwarf you spot

 [4]Gandalf, Old Man With a Staff  [Gandalf]
Companion • Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
The twilight cost of each [Gandalf] possession, [Gandalf] artifact, and [Gandalf] condition is -1.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2009, 06:35:55 AM by Braler »

February 03, 2009, 12:51:14 PM
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Re: My attempt at some Hobbit cards
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2009, 12:51:14 PM »
Thanks for all the replies, some good ideas there.  How do you guys like the changes i made to Kili and Fili? Oh, and the game text on Bilbo applies to any free peoples possession or art so it could be somewhat helpful to most any culture but hopefully not so much so as to throw off balance.  Here are a couple more cards to digest.
I liked your Kili and Fili. In my set, I've done a similar brotherly theme with Boromir and Faramir.

[4] •Thorin, Oakenshield  [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Strength: 7
Vitality: 3
Resistance: 5
Damage +1
Skirmish: Exert Thorin to make him Strength +1 for each Dwarf you spot (limit +3)
Certainly for [4], he could have vitality 4. I do, however, think that limits are not very fun, so I would remove them whenever possible. I think I would remove this one so that Thorin would be just awesome, rivalling Durin III himself! :twisted: On the other hand, I'd want to include maybe Bilbo and Gandalf in the flavour as well...

[4] •Gandalf, Old Man With a Staff  [Gandalf]
Companion • Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
The twilight cost of each [Gandalf] possession and [Gandalf] artifact is -1.
Not such a huge fan of the subtitle, but I guess it fits his text. I think this guy needs more to make him well-used. Maybe include conditions in the reduction? Or some minor keyword or ability as well? Or a reduction in the starting fellowship if specific conditions (like spotting Bilbo) are met?

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February 04, 2009, 01:09:43 AM
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Re: My attempt at some Hobbit cards
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 01:09:43 AM »

 [4]Thorin, Oakenshield  [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Strength: 7
Vitality: 3
Resistance: 5
Damage +1
While you can spot Bilbo, Thorin is vitality +1
While you can spot Gandalf, Thorin is resistance +1
Skirmish: Exert Thorin to make him Strength +1 for each other Dwarf you spot

Resistance +1 is not really a worthwhile bonus, whereas vitality +1 is much more powerful. Maybe res +2. His skirmish ability is mega good. Pales gimlis son of gloin in comparison. Maybe limit it?


 [4]Gandalf, Old Man With a Staff  [Gandalf]
Companion • Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
The twilight cost of each [Gandalf] possession, [Gandalf] artifact, and [Gandalf] condition is -1.

The subtitle is daft but i actually like it :P Cool, but not sure how useful he would be. Probably overshadowed by a lot of other gandys.

« Last Edit: February 04, 2009, 03:13:42 AM by lem0nhead »
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February 04, 2009, 02:20:21 AM
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2009, 02:20:21 AM »
god, thanks mate  ;D I never have seen such a good comparison in an BALANCED WAY to elladan and elrohir here take :gp: this rocks  :up: BUT your bilbo is a little bit too OP. this abilty needs more drawback. Top 4 cards and only one exertion for taking arti. and possession. boah way too OP. But go on. great idea  ;D

It's not like hobbits need possessions that much... I think the ability is nice, but after site 4 or 5, I believe it will be rarely used. It's cool for an early setup on the ring bearer, but that's it, so I think you should leave it as it is.



ähhh, it is not like that you only play that bilbo in an hobbit deck, just mix it with consorting and....huweeee....OP

February 04, 2009, 06:11:20 AM
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2009, 06:11:20 AM »
[4]Thorin, Oakenshield  [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Strength: 7
Vitality: 3
Resistance: 5
Damage +1
While you can spot Bilbo, Thorin is vitality +1
While you can spot Gandalf, Thorin is resistance +1
Skirmish: Exert Thorin to make him Strength +1 for each other Dwarf you spot
Thematically to keep within the burrito format, I might make this guy "While you can spot Bilbo, Thorin is vitality +1. While you can spot Gandalf, Thorin is resistance +2. While you can spot 3 Dwarves, Thorin is strength +2." That might be fair enough. Or alternatively, because Oakenshield is a subtitle that is very much focussed on Dwarves, I might leave the Bilbo/Gandalf stuff for a different version of Thorin and just have him with the unlimited skirmish ability.

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February 04, 2009, 11:40:34 AM
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2009, 11:40:34 AM »
Once again, very helpful input. Here is the next round.

 [2]Balin, Keen-Sighted Lookout [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 6
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Response.Each time a Minion is played, you may reveal the top card of your draw deck.  If this card is a [Dwarven] card, take it into hand.

 [2]Gloin, Skeptic  [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 6
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Damage +1
Response.Each time another Companion wins a skirmish, make Gloin Strength +1 until the Regroup phase.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2012, 02:00:51 PM by Braler »

February 04, 2009, 11:42:46 AM
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2009, 11:42:46 AM »
I really think Balin should have damage +1; without a [Dwarven] card being revealed he seems rather tame.

Gloin is UP compared to his predecessors IMO. Perhaps swap for a nifty maneuver / regroup ability?

February 04, 2009, 11:47:52 AM
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2009, 11:47:52 AM »
[2]Balin, Keen-Sighted Lookout [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 6
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Each time a Minion is played, you may reveal the top card of your draw deck.  If this card is a [Dwarven] card, remove  [1]
Yeah, he could have more. I'm not a fan of choke, how about you get some other thing like exerting that minion or recurring something from your discard pile or something?

[2]Gloin, Skeptic  [Dwarven]
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 6
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Damage +1
Skirmish: Exert a Companion to make Gloin Strength +1 (limit +3)
It seems to me that you can design better cards than this guy! ;) Fair enough, he's simple but it doesn't seem to me to represent his subtitle or his flavour.

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