Crashing Cavalry

[Kralik]

Crashing Cavalry... does "skirmish special abilities" apply only to the minion's gametext, or to conditions, possessions, etc. as well?

[Pepin The Breve]

   Apply to any special abilities (without "h"  ) from the minion game text to possessions and conditions (or site text). Like Faramir, SoD. Well another pretty card for the OP broken token combo 

[Kralik]

So let me get this straight with an example:

I use Crashing Cavalry with Saruman, AotDL. During the skirmish with Saruman, he is unable to use neither his Skirmish: text nor any Skirmish: abilities on other cards. Outside of his skirmish, since he cannot use special abilities until regroup, he cannot use his ability to pump other minions either? So is it a double-whammy or is one of these off?

[TheJord]

This is correct.

Crashing Cavalary also applies to the Elf you assign the minion to aswell, which is why I never really liked it.

[HawkeyeSPF]

From the Comprehensive Rulebook 4.0, page 16:

special ability:
Besides events, other types of cards may have a phase action as a part of their game text called a special ability, which may be used only while the card is in play.

He may use skirmish events during his skirmish, as they are not special abilities, but not his own text (during his or other skirmishes) or skirmish special abilities on conditions, artifacts, etc until the start of the regroup phase.

It would work well for a beefy elf vs a weaker minion (maybe only 1 vitality left?), especially if you've got a pump in your hand just in case.

[Kralik]

This is correct.

Crashing Cavalary also applies to the Elf you assign the minion to as well, which is why I never really liked it.

It works particularly well in the deck I have it in. Nice to hear that it applies to the minion's skirmish abilities both in its own skirmish and in others'.

[Thranduil]

He may use skirmish events during his skirmish, as they are not special abilities, but not his own text (during his or other skirmishes) or skirmish special abilities on conditions, artifacts, etc until the start of the regroup phase.

Hang on, the card says explicitly "Those characters may not use skirmish special abilities..." This applies only to special abilities that are written in the game text of those companions, no?

Thranduil

[HawkeyeSPF]

Let me clarify - any special abilities on the minion or companion may not be used until the regroup phase, and any skirmish special abilities may not be used in the skirmishes of just those characters, but they may be used in skirmishes involving other characters.

The reason being that since (for example) AotDL is skirmishing, he is using the special abilities on the other cards, like artifacts or conditions.

[Kralik]

Hawkeye, you sure there isn't a difference between a player using special abilities (see Faramir, SoD) and a character?

[HawkeyeSPF]

Hmm, this is how I remember it being ruled, but I'll check things over again and report back.

[Bombadil]

As I understand, the special abilities on conditions or other characters are not used by the character. So the abilities on the two cards cannot be used, but others can. Im almost sure that the abilities are used by the player (and by the card in wich they are written). this explains the wording on Faramir, Son of Denethor and Saruman's Snows. The cards dont say that the characters cant use... its player and opponent.
And Crashing Cavalry doesnt say its only while they are skirmishing, its until the regroup, so they cant use the abilities on other skirmishes.

Bombadil.

[Elessar's Socks]

Yeah, I would've thought "in their game text" was implied. I can buy Gollum using his own game text or special abilities (although wording having a character "using" something is so rare that it might just be sloppiness/shorthand), but it feels weird for him to reach over the table and use They Stole It.

[Lord_Burke81]

If you use the Elf card, either player cannot use any special abilities during the skirmish involving those two characters, which include "conditions, weapons, other characters, etc".  But, you can still play skirmish events. 

If im not mistaken, you cannot play play possessions from hand that have "play anytime you could play a skirmish event", because it is still a special ability.


-Mike

[Thranduil]

If im not mistaken, you cannot play play possessions from hand that have "play anytime you could play a skirmish event", because it is still a special ability.

No, this is not true. Playing Long Spear is neither using a special ability (which has to have "Phase:" before it) nor an event.

And I'm also not sure that the wording on Crashing Cavalry is that rare or unique. Look at Servant of Another Master, for example. You can't tell me that SoAM stops you from using any special abilities in play? I am 100% sure that Crashing Cavalry only prevents the use of special abilities on the characters in question.

Thranduil

[Gil-Estel]

I'm sure that the characters in that skirmish can use neither their own special abilities as well as special abilities from other cards.