Proposed Errata and Discussion

[FingolfinFinwe]

lol to be more specific, Elven Armament's has been errata'd and no longer skips the archery phase:

Game Text: To play, bearer must not be bearing any possessions. Bearer must be an companion. Bearer cannot bear any other possessions. While a unique companion bears this possession, the Free Peoples player may not use archery special abilities and the minion archery total is -1.

[jdizzy001]

Yeah, I know, I just don't like erratas.  My crew and I play the cards at face value.  It really hurts sometimes, but that is the nature of the game.  Anyway, if FoA is errated, replacing the 2's with 1's is a real good idea.

[Thranduil]

I'm obviously very late in on this discussion, but I thought I'd add my thoughts here.

FoA is already unusuable, no reason to ban.

I disagree. If a PC wants to make Virtual Cards, then at some point it is conceivable that they'll want to make an minion that can possibly get the archer keyword. Once that happens, FoA is now playable and hence broken. You shouldn't limit the PC's creativity in this way: it's not good enough to say "Never make an archer".

But anyway, isn't it a bit early for this sort of stuff? Do we have a PC yet, and isn't this the sort of thing that the PC is going to deal with?

Thranduil

[Kralik]

and here is another idea for a rule change:
once the shadow has initiative, the free peoples player cannot regain initiative until the end of the turn regardless of his hand.

Bad idea. Think of something like 2 Gorgoroth Stormer + 2 Gothmog's Warg.

If the idea really bothers someone then don't play followers.

I think part of the idea in proposing errata is to keep the game balanced and encourage a variety of deck styles. "If you don't like FoA, then don't play followers!" and "If you don't like Namarie, then don't play conditions!" are limiting to all of the possible decks that could be made.

You can't prevent choking, at least not to my knowledge.

There are ways to deal with each card that chokes in some way. Also, build your shadow with a variety of minions and strategies, not just high-cost ones.

You could apply the rule of 4 to every phase.  That would eliminate a lot of "overpowered" combos.

Naw, some Shadow strategies need to draw more than 4 per phase.

[jdizzy001]

Well, your just full of retorts aren't you

[Mc Tono]

and here is another idea for a rule change:
once the shadow has initiative, the free peoples player cannot regain initiative until the end of the turn regardless of his hand.

Bad idea. Think of something like 2 Gorgoroth Stormer + 2 Gothmog's Warg.

Thinking about that makes me think of another errata, one that actualy allows 2 gothmog wargs to be played in one shadow fase 

[Gerontius]

I think part of the idea in proposing errata is to keep the game balanced and encourage a variety of deck styles. "If you don't like FoA, then don't play followers!" and "If you don't like Namarie, then don't play conditions!" are limiting to all of the possible decks that could be made.

I agree, but evidently it's already been done. "If you don't like Anduin Confluence in expanded, don't play allies!" Followers in the later sets were really powerful and needed something to damage them, but it shouldn't have been an event. A site should have been made with a similar effect.

[jdizzy001]

That is a real good point.  A site would have been a great way to beat up on followers.  They did make a couple cards though albeit they weren't sites.  cards like all life flees.  That's a good follower killer.  I must admit, I like the concept behind followers.

[Kralik]

Thinking about that makes me think of another errata, one that actualy allows 2 gothmog wargs to be played in one shadow fase 

* Kralik bonks himself.

Ah, good point!

[SomeRandomDude]

I think that if you must errata, having Frenzy of Arrows at 1 would be good.

I also think that we should make followers characters, that way, stuff like Crooked Townsman can help hold the Horn deck in check. Ya know, not as much, but every little bit helps. If you have some sorta Evil Man toolkit with the discard to play from discard pile minions, you can toss in a Crooked Townsman or 2 and make the freeps fight him every site.

[jdizzy001]

However, if all of a sudden players can spot followers as characters, there will be a whole bunch of new issues that will need resolved.   

[legolas3333]

I said this in another topic but I think the only thing that needs to happen is errata New Chapter to "Each time you play a follower heal a companion" instead of any companion

[Anautikus]

The Faithful Stone was errata'd to unique? (Yes, I am not up to date )

Man, erratas are great for gameplay, but a pain to follow.

Yeah, I know, I just don't like erratas.  My crew and I play the cards at face value.  It really hurts sometimes, but that is the nature of the game.  Anyway, if FoA is errated, replacing the 2's with 1's is a real good idea.

I get you 110%

[MR. Lurtzy]

I believe the TFS errata was the addition to the end of the text, "Any Shadow player may remove (2) to prevent this."

[Anautikus]

Is it still "spot a man" or did it errata to specific?