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August 19, 2009, 07:01:47 PM
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Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« on: August 19, 2009, 07:01:47 PM »
[2] •Legolas, Lieutenant Of Mirkwood [Elven]
Companion - Elf
Strength: 6
Vitality: 3
Resistance: 7
Archer.
While you can spot 2 [Elven] archers, the minion archery total is -2.
While you can spot 3 [Elven] archers, each wounded minion skirmishing Legolas is strength -1 (or -2 if that minion is exausted).
Archery: Spot 4 [Elven] archers and exert Legolas to wound a minion (limit once per phase).

[4] •Thranduil, King of the Wood-elves [Elven]
Companion - Elf
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
While you can spot 3 other [Elven] Companions, Thranduil's twilight cost is -2.
Archery: Exert Thranduil twice and make the Fellowship archery total -2 (to a minimum of 0) to discard a condition.

This is just a start so bear with me.  As I get time I will post more, just tell me what you think.  More ideas are in the making.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2009, 12:00:31 AM by WarriorOfTheNorth »

August 20, 2009, 07:25:14 AM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2009, 07:25:14 AM »
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[2] Legolas, Fearless Marksmen of Mirkwood [Elven]
Companion - Elf
Strength: 6
Vitality: 3
Resistance: 7
Archer. Hunter 1
While you can spot 2 other [Elven] archers the minion archery total is -2.
While u can spot 3 [Elven] archers, at the start of the archery phase you may exert Legolas to wound a minion.
While you can spot 4 [Elven] archers each minion skirmish Legolas is strength -1 (or -2 if that minion is exausted).
"Red sun rises. Blood has been spilled this night."
Just FYI, the first two lines trigger off the same number of archers. I'd just drop the "other" and then it works fine. I'd switch up the abilities a little, though. I'd do this:

While you can spot 2 [Elven] archers, the minion archery total is -2.
While you can spot 3 [Elven] archers, each minion skirmishing Legolas is strength -1 (or -2 if that minion is exausted).
Archery: Spot 4 [Elven] archers and exert Legolas to wound a minion (limit once per phase).

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[4] Thranduil, King of the Wood-elves [Elven]
Companion - Elf
Strength: 6
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 8
While you can spot 3 other [Elven] Companions, Thranduil's twilight cost is -2.
Archery: At the start of the Archery phase you may exert Thranduil twice to make the fellowship archery total -2 to discard a shadow condition from play.
While Thranduil bears a ranged weapon he takes no more then one wound in each skirmish.
Go with ket's wording for the archery ability. I think the last line is too much, and I'd probably just drop it.

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« Last Edit: August 20, 2009, 07:26:57 AM by DáinIronfoot »
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August 20, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 03:32:18 PM »
Yeah, I think DI and ket have both your card covered. I think this Legolas as his aspect of lieutenant of Mirkwood is fine.

And while you're at it, why don't you check my Hobbit block! :P

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August 20, 2009, 04:22:40 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2009, 04:22:40 PM »
Ok I fixed the issues.  I even changed Legolas' name thanks to a little help from Thranduil post.

August 20, 2009, 06:56:15 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2009, 06:56:15 PM »
Good stuff. :up: I look forward to more!
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August 21, 2009, 06:52:32 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 06:52:32 PM »
[2] •Dinendal, Hunter of Foul Folk [Elven]
Strength: 6
Vitility: 3
Resistance: 6
While you can spot a roaming minion, Dinendal gains Archer.
Archery: If you can spot a minion with strength 6 or less, exert Dinendal and make the fellowship archery total -2 (to a minimum of 0) to return that minion to its owner's hand.

[5] •Thingol, High King of the Sindar [Elven]
Strength: 8
Vitaility: 4
Resistance: 7
To play spot an Elf.
Thingol may only bear artifacts.
Skirmish: While Thingol bears an artifact, you may exert him to make him strength +1 for each wounded minion.

[1] •Thingol's Cloak, Shade of Thingol  [Elven]
Artifact - Cloak
Resistance +1
Bearer must be an Elf.
Response: If bearer is Thingol and a Shadow player plays an event during a skirmish involving Thingol, exert Thingol to make that Shadow player discard one of his or her conditions.

[2]Legolas' Bow, Deadly at Close Range [Elven]
Possession - Ranged Weapon
Bearer must be an Elf.
Bearer gains Archer.
Response: If bearer is Legolas and a Shadow event is played during his skirmish, exert him to wound a minion.


More to come I am not sure how good or bad these are, tell me what you think.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2009, 08:47:44 PM by WarriorOfTheNorth »

August 22, 2009, 01:35:11 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2009, 01:35:11 PM »
[2] Dinendal, Hunter of Foul Folk [Elven]
Strength: 6
Vitility: 3
Resistance: 6
While you can spot a roaming minion, Dinendal gains Archer.
While you can spot a minion with the strength of 6 or less you may exert Dinendal and make the archery total -2 to return that minion to its owners hand.
Rephrase:

"While you can spot a roaming minion, Dínendal is an archer.
Archery: Exert Dínendal and make the fellowship archery total -2 to return a minion with strength 6 or less to its owner's hand."

Nice nod to Elven Rope, and a nice card in general. Given that he's dealing with roaming minions, why not make him a ranger? And you should take a look at the Mount Doom [Elven] cards for the proper phrasing of this ability.

[5] Thingol, High King of the Sindar [Elven]
Strength: 8
Vitaility: 4
Resistance: 6
While you can spot 4 [Elven] companions, Thingol twilight cost is -2.
Thingol may only bear artifacts.
While Thingol bears an artifact he is strength +1 for each wounded minion.
Just noticed, I believe these cards need to have some uniqueness •. His first line is currently a bit ambiguous. What about Shadow conditions? Followers? I think I would probably just leave it out.

[3] Thingol's Cloak [Elven]
Artifact Cloak
Resistance +1
Bearer must be Thingol.
Skirmish: If a Shadow skirmish event is played you may exert Thingol twice to discard a condition.
Needs to be a response action, but other than that seems fine.

[2] Legolas' bow, Deadly at Close Range [Elven]
Possession - Ranged Weapon
Bearer must be an Elf.
Bearer gains Hunter 1.
While the bearer is Legolas each time a shadow event is played in his skirmish, you may exert Legolas to wound a minion.
Huh, I like it - except for the damned hunter bonus, because I hate hunter bonuses. Make it like the original and give him archer?

Thranduil
« Last Edit: August 22, 2009, 02:38:26 PM by Thranduil »

August 22, 2009, 02:38:07 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2009, 02:38:07 PM »
You still don't specify which archery total is minus two!
-wtk
Yeah, well... :whistle:

August 22, 2009, 11:51:44 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2009, 11:51:44 PM »
Ok I fixed a few things on the cards I just submitted.  I change around Thingol ability as well.  Tell me what you think now.  I will also work on another culture.  Please request a culture you would like to see.  I was thinking Rohan myself.  I thank everyone very much for the constructive criticism.
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August 23, 2009, 12:08:21 AM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2009, 12:08:21 AM »
[2] Dinendal, Hunter of Foul Folk [Elven]
Strength: 6
Vitility: 3
Resistance: 6
While you can spot a roaming minion, Dinendal gains Archer.
While you can spot a minion with the strength of 6 or less you may exert Dinendal and make the archery total -2 to return that minion to its owners hand.
Rephrase:

"While you can spot a roaming minion, Dínendal is an archer.
Archery: Exert Dínendal and make the fellowship archery total -2 to return a minion with strength 6 or less to its owner's hand."

Nice nod to Elven Rope, and a nice card in general. Given that he's dealing with roaming minions, why not make him a ranger? And you should take a look at the Mount Doom [Elven] cards for the proper phrasing of this ability.


What if I made him a Hunter 1?

August 23, 2009, 12:17:29 AM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2009, 12:17:29 AM »
[2] •Dinendal, Hunter of Foul Folk [Elven]
Strength: 6
Vitility: 3
Resistance: 6
While you can spot a roaming minion, Dinendal gains Archer.
Archery: While you can spot a minion with the strength of 6 or less you may exert Dinendal and make the fellowship archery total -2 (to a minimum of 0) to return that minion to its owners hand.

I am a nitpicker, and before I can properly review your cards I need to point a few minor sins you have committed. First, never ever ever use 'may' in a special ability, as using 'may' gives the ability's owner the option of paying no cost for all the effect. Second - and this is more of a general rule of thumb - try to use 'if' instead of 'while' for conditional requirements at the start of a special ability; it's a lot more concrete and a lot less confusing. Never capitalize keywords.

Archery: If you can spot a minion with strength 6 or less, exert Dinendal and make the fellowship archery total -2 (to a minimum of 0) to return that minion to its owner's hand.

I know, I'm a dweeb. But I'm also a writer with an eye for details.

Oh, and this almost feels like an afterthought, but the card itself is fine. haha.

[5] •Thingol, High King of the Sindar [Elven]
Strength: 8
Vitaility: 4
Resistance: 6
Thingol may only bear artifacts.
Skirmish: While Thingol bears an artifact, you may exert him to make him strength +1 for each wounded minion.

Strike that 'may' from the ability and change 'while' to 'if.' Also, even though it isn't entirely necessary, you should tack on 'you can spot' after 'wounded minion.' That way the FP player can control how much strength Thingol actually receives. He needs cultural enforcement. Something easy like 'To play, spot an Elf' would work just fine.  :up:

[3] •Thingol's Cloak [Elven]
Artifact Cloak
Resistance +1
Bearer must be an Elf.
Response: If bearer is Thingol, each time a shadow skirmish event is played you may exert Thingol to discard a condition.

What a bland name for an artifact! Make up something that's worth more Cool Points, like The Shade of Thingol or Cloak of the Sindarin.
Very strong response ability. The wording you're using for it though is more suited for a triggered ability and not a special ability. Always remove 'each' from special abilities and reword it to react independently to each instance (see below).

I would recommend dropping the twilight cost to 1 (no cloak should ever cost 3, in my opinion) and pulling back the power level a bit. Maybe:

Response: If bearer is Thingol and a Shadow player plays an event during a skirmish involving another Elf companion, exert Thingol to make that Shadow player discard one of his or her conditions.

Definitely not as strong as yours, but it's a cloak, not a sword. It needs to be subtler.

[2]Legolas' bow, Deadly at Close Range [Elven]
Possession - Ranged Weapon
Bearer must be an Elf.
Bear gains Archer.
Response: While the bearer is Legolas each time a shadow event is played in his skirmish, you may exert Legolas to wound a minion.

Wait, so the Elf becomes a Bear?

Capitalize 'bow.' You know, I really like this bow. Not only did you tie in the ability with the subtitle, but you gave the FP player another way to access Legolas' vitality.  :gp: Same issue with using 'each' in the special ability. This is what it should look like:

Response: If bearer is Legolas and a Shadow event is played during his skirmish, exert him to wound a minion.

Keep on posting!
« Last Edit: August 23, 2009, 12:21:07 AM by menace64 »

August 23, 2009, 11:01:21 AM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2009, 11:01:21 AM »
I change the cards even more.  Thank you menace64 for all the advice.  Oh yea an Bruce Campbell is God by the way, one of my favorite actors.

August 25, 2009, 06:29:42 AM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2009, 06:29:42 AM »
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[2] •Dinendal, Hunter of Foul Folk [Elven]
Strength: 6
Vitility: 3
Resistance: 6
If you can spot a roaming minion, Dinendal gains Archer.
Archery: If you can spot a minion with strength 6 or less, exert Dinendal and make the fellowship archery total -2 (to a minimum of 0) to return that minion to its owner's hand.
The first "if" should be a "while", and "Archery:" (like all special abilities) should be bolded...that same note goes for your other cards below, so keep that in mind for them too. Otherwise, fun!

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[5] •Thingol, High King of the Sindar [Elven]
Strength: 8
Vitaility: 4
Resistance: 6
To play spot an Elf.
Thingol may only bear artifacts.
Skirmish: While Thingol bears an artifact, you may exert him to make him strength +1 for each wounded minion.
Interesting. With that spotting requirement and limit on what he can bear, you can likely get away with him costing [4]. Though maybe not with that skirmish ability.... :-k Give him resistance 7 and even that would make me more comfortable with [5].

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[1] •Thingol's Cloak, Shade of Thingol  [Elven]
Artifact - Cloak
Resistance +1
Bearer must be an Elf.
Response: If bearer is Thingol and a Shadow player plays an event during a skirmish involving Thingol, exert Thingol to make that Shadow player discard one of his or her conditions.
I see what ket is saying, but personally, I think this is fine since it's so reliant on the Shadow player. They can choose not to play an event, and even then, they get to choose which of their conditions to discard. I'd leave it alone, personally.

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[2]Legolas' Bow, Deadly at Close Range [Elven]
Possession - Ranged Weapon
Bearer must be an Elf.
Bearer gains Archer.
Response: If bearer is Legolas and a Shadow event is played during his skirmish, exert him to wound a minion.
I think "Deadly at Long Range" would be more appropriate for a bow, but this is just fine otherwise. :up:

Liking what I've seen so far. :gp: Hope you've got more coming!
Best regards,
Dáin


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August 25, 2009, 09:27:23 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2009, 09:27:23 PM »
Now for something different.

[3] •Eomer, Commander of the Riders of Eastfold [Rohan]
Companion - Man
Strength: 7
Vitality: 3
Resistance: 7
Valiant. Hunter 1.
Each time a site is controlled, heal a [Rohan] companion.
Regroup: If you can spot and exhausted minion, exert Eomer and transfer a follower to your support area to liberate a site.

[4] •Gandalf, Hope For Free Men [Gandalf]
Companion - Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
Maneuver: Remove a [Gondor] token to make a minion roaming until the regroup phase.
Skirmish: Remove a  [Gandalf] token to make a [Gandalf] man strength +2.
Regroup: Remove a [Rohan] token to play a possession from your discard pile.

[2] •Grima, Faithful Servant of Rohan [Rohan]
Companion - Man
Strength: 4
Vitility: 3
Resistance: 5
To play spot a [Rohan] companion.
Minions with the same title may still be played.
Skirmish: If Grima is not assigned to a skirmish and you have initiative discard 3 cards from hand to make an exhausted minion lose all keyword till the regroup phase.

Ok I switched track a little bit here from Elves.  What do you think?
« Last Edit: September 01, 2009, 02:45:45 PM by WarriorOfTheNorth »

August 27, 2009, 03:06:54 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2009, 03:06:54 PM »
Still no reviews.  Has this whole dream card thing died?