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An unlikey corruption combo
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Dwarves and Goblins working together? Stranger things have happened.

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Frodo, Courteous Halfling
The One Ring, Answer To All The Riddles

Uri, Dwarven Lord (Starting)
Gimli, Feared Axeman (Starting)
Durin III, Dwarven Lord x4
Linnar, Dwarven Lord x4
Sindri, Dwarven Lord x4
Farin, Dwarven Emissary x4
Fror, Gimli's Kinsman x4
Dwarf Guard x2
Ever My Heart Rises x4
Preparations
Rest By Blind Night
Endurance Of Dwarves x3

Goblin Backstabber x4
Goblin Runner x4
Goblin Scrabbler x4
Goblin Sneak x4
Gollum, Dark as Darkness x4
Moria Scout x4
Captured By The Ring x4
Lost To The Goblins x4

Key Sites
Dunharrow Plateau
Northern Ithilien

Ok the first part of the combo comes into play when they're at site 6 or 7 several key things that HAVE to happen before they get there
1. You MUST have every companion out.
2. You MUST have in hand all 4 Lost to the Goblins, 1 Rest By Blind Night, and the last 3 cards have to be [Moria] minions.
3. The first part is...
     A. Fellowship: Use Ever My Heart Rises to discard you entire deck.
     B. Survive Till Regroup.
     C. Regroup: Stack every single shadow card you can onto Preparations.
     D. Use Rest By Blind Night to shuffle Preparations and all cards on it into your draw deck.
The Second Part has only one thing that must be done besides the aforementioned. You MUST have 2 threats if you do not have 2 threats barter with the other player until they agree to add 2 threats, without 2 threats the combo either A. doesn't work or B. will not be as effective.
4. The second part is...
     A. Let them free move to site 8, Northern Ithilien.
     B. Use Northern Ithilien's text to play Gollum and add 2 burdens.
     C. Play the three [Moria] minions you have in hand.
     D. Exert Gollum twice to exert the Ring-Bearer.
     E. Play all 4 Lost To The Goblins.
Since you only have shadow cards (and Preparations) in your deck at the very least this will add 11 burdens, plus the 2 from Northern Ithilien. I have played this deck several times on GCCG and the only time it didn't work was because I didn't have 2 threats and I couldn't play Gollum with Northern Ithilien.
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October 12, 2009, 06:17:51 AM
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Re: An unlikey corruption combo
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 06:17:51 AM »
I like it, risky, but I like it a lot!
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October 12, 2009, 08:28:33 AM
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 08:28:33 AM »
i know, it kinda depends on you opponent thinking that the 2 threats aren't worth removing. another way to do it is you can go more rest by blind night, get 2 then discard your deck, first getting the 3 minions and 4 lttg and preparations back then gradually building up the minions on preparations...

:EDIT: here's another thought, you could change it into expanded then use the seven dwarves starting fellowship to get the combo off at site 1...
« Last Edit: October 12, 2009, 08:33:26 AM by legolas3333 »
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October 12, 2009, 11:14:25 AM
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Re: An unlikey corruption combo
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 11:14:25 AM »
In expanded there is no better deck for LTTG than Horn filter, and combine it with forest guls, host of moria and throne of the dark lord....
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October 12, 2009, 12:06:45 PM
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Re: An unlikey corruption combo
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 12:06:45 PM »
I have a couple questions/thoughts:

How will you play Dunharrow Plateau without risking a corruption loss?

What happens if you don't get all 4 LttG? Or, conversely, if you get them early on and you don't have Rest By Blind Night (so your hand clogs?)

I've had times in my deck that even at 30/30 the card I need is in the last 5 (which have not been drawn by site 8). Some flexibility helps. I find that Ring of Guile helps to keep things cycling (discard Rest by Blind Night and grab later). Then, I can keep Captured by the Ring instead of relying on Northern Ithilien.

What do you do if LttG ends up on Ever My Heart Rises? :o

October 12, 2009, 12:19:25 PM
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Re: An unlikey corruption combo
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 12:19:25 PM »
This is similar to my Dwarf/Moria deck only I don't use LttG. A nice idea, but too many stipulations need to be met.
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October 12, 2009, 12:20:54 PM
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Re: An unlikey corruption combo
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2009, 12:20:54 PM »
I have a couple questions/thoughts:

How will you play Dunharrow Plateau without risking a corruption loss?

What happens if you don't get all 4 LttG? Or, conversely, if you get them early on and you don't have Rest By Blind Night (so your hand clogs?)

I've had times in my deck that even at 30/30 the card I need is in the last 5 (which have not been drawn by site 8). Some flexibility helps. I find that Ring of Guile helps to keep things cycling (discard Rest by Blind Night and grab later). Then, I can keep Captured by the Ring instead of relying on Northern Ithilien.

What do you do if LttG ends up on Ever My Heart Rises? :o

Bid 2, if they're willing to bid that much then Preparations isn't as necessary,
so far I've been lucky but i assume that eventually i wont be, maybe add smeagol, poor creature or go with the combo anywyay and get back the LttG with Preparations, same thing if LttG ends up on Ever my Heart Rises then just discard it and get it back with preparations i assume, usually 3 is enough to corrupt along with the burdens from northern ithilien. plus if all else fails and you can't get LttG back you could just stack a bunch of moria minions and you have a swarm on the go
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October 12, 2009, 12:53:58 PM
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Re: An unlikey corruption combo
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 12:53:58 PM »
Sam, Son of Hamfast.

Unless your entire deck is based on constant corruption, the one-and-done idea will never work. If you have 9 burdens on me at site 7, I am going to play Sam, Son of Hamfast at site eight and remove three...Is your swarm going to be that good?
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October 12, 2009, 12:59:28 PM
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Re: An unlikey corruption combo
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 12:59:28 PM »
Sam, Son of Hamfast.

Unless your entire deck is based on constant corruption, the one-and-done idea will never work. If you have 9 burdens on me at site 7, I am going to play Sam, Son of Hamfast at site eight and remove three...Is your swarm going to be that good?
-wtk

the switching to a swarm idea was in the case of losing lost to the goblins like on ever my heart rises, and you actually just need gollum so keeping a captured by the ring would work since if you have all of the LttG thats 12 burdens,
Just lost my first game with this, maybe I'll ditch this idea since 2 LttG got stacked on Ever My Hear Rises and i couldn't get them back and that killed it...
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October 12, 2009, 02:24:46 PM
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Re: An unlikey corruption combo
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2009, 02:24:46 PM »
Sam, Son of Hamfast.

Unless your entire deck is based on constant corruption, the one-and-done idea will never work. If you have 9 burdens on me at site 7, I am going to play Sam, Son of Hamfast at site eight and remove three...Is your swarm going to be that good?
-wtk

The way to do it is to add 10-14 burdens at site 8, all in one go. Without site 8, you can still manage a minimum of 8 (with 3x LttG) or 11 (with 4x LttG)

October 12, 2009, 02:25:47 PM
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Re: An unlikey corruption combo
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 02:25:47 PM »
Just lost my first game with this, maybe I'll ditch this idea since 2 LttG got stacked on Ever My Hear Rises and i couldn't get them back and that killed it...

You can still cycle a bit with Beneath the Mountains if you can get the cards you need first.

October 12, 2009, 02:32:26 PM
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 02:32:26 PM »
Bid 2, if they're willing to bid that much then Preparations isn't as necessary,

Sorry for the triple posts. Just thought it would be worth noting: I was asking about your Fellowship vulnerability to a high starting bid with no burden removal. Versus the likes of Easterlings, Nazgul, etc..... I foresee big trouble.

October 12, 2009, 06:19:37 PM
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Re: An unlikey corruption combo
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2009, 06:19:37 PM »
     B. Use Northern Ithilien's text to play Gollum and add 2 burdens.

What guarantees that they have threats? Personally, I think I would like my odds against this deck. Mostly because as nice as Dwarves are, without any support (Conditions, Events, etc.) they are usually pretty easy cannon-fodder for whatever bad guys you would even play.

When I play a "Shadow has to kill by site X," I usually don't wait until eight...you are putting a lot of pressure on yourself at to make the kill at site eight or they move free to site nine. I don't know...I think your companions are in trouble anyways.

I'll probably stick to my Ever My Heart Rises/Preparations/[Moria] engine. It seems to work alright and as fun as Lost to the Goblins is in concept, I don't see it ever being effective enough in action!
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October 13, 2009, 05:32:01 AM
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Re: An unlikey corruption combo
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2009, 05:32:01 AM »
What guarantees that they have threats?

Captured by the Ring x4. Not a guarantee, but it usually works.
However, I still wouldn't rely completely on site 8.