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May 13, 2010, 07:53:42 AM
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The Silmarillion V-set: The cards
« on: May 13, 2010, 07:53:42 AM »
New Symbols (Obviously I used The Magic symbols)
(B) = Morgoth
(G) = Edain
(R) = Corrupted Elves
(W) = Iluvatar
(U) + Blue = Frontside Ringreplacer/Objective
(U) + Maroon = Backside Ringreplacer/Objective
(T) = Flip

UNDER CONSTRUCTION
(U) The Silmarils Created by Fëanor
At the start of each of your turns, you may draw a card.
Skirmish: (T) to activate (U) until the regroup phase.
(T) when the (U) bearer is exhausted or if there are 5 burdens on The Silmarils; Discard the top card of your Draw Deck.
The Silmarils Stolen by Morgoth (U)
Strength: +2
At the start of each of your turns, you must discard a card from hand at random.
(T) when the (U) bearer has no wounds and there are less then 5 burdens on The Silmarils; You may take a (W) character from your dead pile into hand.
V1R1

[2]Beleg Cúthalion, Grey-elf of Doriath [Elven]
6
3
7

CompanionElf
Archer
At the start of the archery phase, you may skip the rest of the Archery phase to heal this character once (or twice if you have Initiative).

"I am the hunter Beleg - of the hidden people; the forest is my father - and the fells my home."


[4]Gil-Estel, Captain of the Vingilot  [Elven]
CompanionElf
9
4
7

Damage 1
Response: If a burden is about to be added by a Shadow card, exert Gil-Estel and (T) (U)  to prevent that burden.

"the people of Middle-earth  beheld it from afar and wondered, and they took it for a sign, and called it Gil-Estel, the Star of High Hope."


(0)Lúthien Tinúviel, Sindarin princess [Elven]
CompanionElf
3
4
8

(U) Bearer
Maneuver: (T) the (U) to make Lúthien strength +2 until the regroup phase.

"... the white flowers of Niphredil came forth to greet her as stars from the earth"


[3]Túrin Turambar, Adanedhel (G)
CompanionMan
9
4
6

assignment: Wound Túrin Turambar to allow him to Skirmish.
While skirmishing a Dragon Túrin is strength +2 and damage +1. Each time Túrin Turambar wins a skirmish, you may remove a threat.

"One of the Mighty Elf-Friends of Old"

[3] Dark Now Felt the shadow (B)
ConditionSupport Area
To play exert a (B) minion. The (U) may not (UT).

[3] His Vengeance Achieved (B)
Event
Response: If a (B) minion wins a skirmish involving a (U) bound companion you may exert that minion to force your opponent to (T) the (U).

(0)Morgoth, Bauglir (B)
Valar
24
5
1

Place this character at the start of the game in your opponent's Supprt Area.
Damage 1
Assignment: While the Fellowship is at any site 3, 6 or 9 and you can spot no minions Morgoth may be assigned to skirmish the companion with the lowest vitality.
Maneuver: The Free Peoples player may add a Burden to turn his Draw deck up side down (faced up) until the regroup phase.

"The Foe of the World"

[8]Sauron, Tar-mairon (B)
MinionMaia
18
5
6

Sauron's cost is + [2] for every companion you spot (limit [8]).
While the (U)  is (T), Sauron is fierce and damage +2
Shadow: Spot a (T) (U) and exert Sauron to add [1] (or [2] if you have initiative).

"Sauron was not a beginner of discord; and he probably knew more of the Music than did Melkor, whose mind had always been filled with his own plans and devices."

[7]Ar-Pharazôn, Númenórean King [Raider]
Minion Man
11
4
4

When you play Ar-Pharazôn, you may spot Sauron and an unflipped (U) to play a [Sauron], [Raider], [men] or (B) support area condition from your discard pile.

".. Pharazon began to worship Melkor at first in secret, but then openly, and his people followed him."

(5) •Eru, Ilúvatar (W)
Creator (Support Area)
14
9
Omnipresent

This Character may not be assigned to Skirmish
Response: Response: If a Shadow card is about to  the (U), exert Eru twice to prevent that.

"but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Ilúvatar"
« Last Edit: May 15, 2010, 06:45:38 AM by Smeagollum »

May 13, 2010, 04:24:29 PM
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Re: The Silmarillion V-set: The cards
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 04:24:29 PM »
(U) The Silmarils Created by Fëanor
Strength: +2
At the start of each of your turns, you may draw a card.
Response: If the (U) bearer is about to take a wound, he may wear The Silmarils until the regroup phase. While wearing The Silmarils, each time the (U) bearer is about to take a wound, add a burden instead.
Response: (T) when the (U) bearer is exhausted or if there are 5 burdens on The Silmarils; Discard the top card of your Draw Deck
The Silmarils Stolen by Morgoth (U)
Strength: +2
At the start of each of your turns, you must discard a card from hand at random.
Response: If the (U) bearer is about to take a wound, he may wear The Silmarils until the regroup phase. While wearing The Silmarils, each time the (U) bearer is about to take a wound, add a burden instead.
Response: (T) when the (U) bearer has no wounds and there are less then 5 burdens on The Silmarils; You may take a (W) character from your dead pile into hand.
V1R1
I still think the flipping should be a consequence of wearing/activating (wearing Silmarils doesn't really make any sense). Also a mechanical issue: the response actions that flip the thing are by their nature optional actions. You should make them required by losing response and becoming each time or when actions.

[2]Beleg Cúthalion, Grey-elf of Doriath[Elven]
6
3
7

Companion
Archer
At the start of the archery phase, you may skip the rest of the Archery phase to heal this character once (or twice if you have Initiative).
Quite cool. "At the start of the archery phase, you may skip the archery phase to heal Beleg Cúthalion (or heal him twice if you have initiative)." And presumably he should be "Companion • Elf".

(0)Lúthien Tinúviel, Sindarin princess [Elven]
Companion
3
4
8

(U) Bearer
Maneuver: You may (T) the (U) to make Lúthien strength +2 until the regroup phase.
"You may..." is unnecessary. Otherwise, I like it. But again, I like seeing this (T) as activating its power so that when you flip it, it's like saying "Wear The One Ring to..."

[3] Dark Now Felt the shadow (B)
Condition
To play exert a (B) minion. While you can spot this condition a (U) may not (T) back.
"Condition • Support Area". And "The (U) may not (UT)" (why don't you use the untap symbol (UT) for going the other way?).

[3] His Vengeance Achieved (B)
Event
Response: If a (B) minion wins a skirmish involving a Ringbound companion you may exert a (B) minion to force your opponent to (T) his (U).
I think you should have to exert the minion that won a skirmish. Also, I thought you wouldn't use Ring-bound by something else? I would also phrase it better as "... you may exert that minion to (T) the (U)." Phrasing it the way you have makes it sound like an innuendo! ;)

(0)Morgoth, Bauglir (B)
Valar
20
5
1

Place this character at the start of the game in your opponent's Void Area.
Each time a (U) Bearer heals at a Sanctuary add a Burden. While the Fellowship moves the first Shadow player may remove 2 Burdens and exert Morgoth to turn the free peoples player Draw deck up side down (faced up) until the regroup phase.
What do you envisage as the "void area"? Why would the first Shadow player do the ability instead of the owner of the card? I also don't think you can turn an entire draw deck face up, but you can make the FP player play with the top card of their draw deck revealed which seems more sensible. Exactly how do you see this working in a fair way? Can he fight?

[8]Sauron, Tar-mairon (B)
MinionMaia
24
5
6

Sauron's cost is + [2] for every companion you spot (limit [8]).
If you can spot a (T) (U) then Sauron is Fierce and damage +2.
Shadow: Spot a (T) (U) and exert Sauron to add [1] (or [2] if you have initiative).
"While the (U) is (T), Sauron is fierce and damage +2." I also think the Shadow action might be a bit too good.

[7]Ar-Pharazôn, Númenórean King [Raider]
Minion Man
11
4
4

When you play this minion, you may spot Sauron and a (U) which not has (T) to play a [Sauron], [Raider], [men] or (B) condition from your discard pile to your Support Area.
"When you play Ar-Pharazôn, you may spot Sauron and an unflipped (U) to play a [Sauron], [Raider], [Men] or (B) support area condition from your discard pile." Seems alright.

(5) •Eru, Ilúvatar (W)
Creator (Support Area)
14
9
Omnipresent

This Character may not be assigned to Skirmish
Response: Exert this character twice to prevent a (U) to (T) by a Shadow card.
New sub-type? Not sure it's necessary. What does omnipresent mean in rules terms? "Response: If a Shadow card is about to (T) the (U), exert Eru twice to prevent that."

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May 13, 2010, 05:21:25 PM
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Re: The Silmarillion V-set: The cards
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2010, 05:21:25 PM »
I still think the flipping should be a consequence of wearing/activating (wearing Silmarils doesn't really make any sense). Also a mechanical issue: the response actions that flip the thing are by their nature optional actions. You should make them required by losing response and becoming each time or when actions.
I'm still figuring out the alternate naming for some things. See what you mean: The Response makes it optional were required was intended

Quite cool. "At the start of the archery phase, you may skip the archery phase to heal Beleg Cúthalion (or heal him twice if you have initiative)." And presumably he should be "Companion • Elf".
He should. And I'm a bit proud on this one, cause Beleg was known about how his healing skills.

"You may..." is unnecessary. Otherwise, I like it. But again, I like seeing this (T) as activating its power so that when you flip it, it's like saying "Wear The One Ring to..."
Will skip: You may.

"Condition • Support Area". And "The (U) may not (UT)" (why don't you use the untap symbol (UT) for going the other way?).
Because I didn't knew th (UT) symbol  :-[

I thought you wouldn't use Ring-bound by something else? I would also phrase it better as "... you may exert that minion to (T) the (U)." Phrasing it the way you have makes it sound like an innuendo! ;)
I did forgot to change it  #-o

What do you envisage as the "void area"? Why would the first Shadow player do the ability instead of the owner of the card? I also don't think you can turn an entire draw deck face up, but you can make the FP player play with the top card of their draw deck revealed which seems more sensible. Exactly how do you see this working in a fair way? Can he fight?
I'm still thinking on this one. It still is not what I want. Innitately I wanted to have a negative character to start with (like you start with a ringbearer) which will stay on table, but can not fight and has effects in both felloshipphase and shadowphase. First I also thought it should have been from somebody's own deck; but so far that didn't work.

"While the (U) is (T), Sauron is fierce and damage +2." I also think the Shadow action might be a bit too good.
Thx rephrasing. Don't agree with you about the shadow action. The spot flip requirement will make it a bit difficult.

"When you play Ar-Pharazôn, you may spot Sauron and an unflipped (U) to play a [Sauron], [Raider], [Men] or (B) support area condition from your discard pile." Seems alright.
Thx again for rephrasing... Is one of my problems as non-native speaker.

New sub-type? Not sure it's necessary. What does omnipresent mean in rules terms? "Response: If a Shadow card is about to (T) the (U), exert Eru twice to prevent that."
Omnipresent means in Dutch that it's always present; couldn't find an english word for it.. even not with an online translator. Further it means nothing then that he doesn't has a homesite :) And I needed to give him a sub-type, because he ain't maia nor valar, ent or whatever, besides that he's god or creator.

Will change it tomorrow. I'm at wake now, because I can't sleep, but it's night here, so I will give sleeping onother try first, before changing the mistakes :)

May 14, 2010, 01:06:44 AM
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Re: The Silmarillion V-set: The cards
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 01:06:44 AM »
Changes updated. Morgoth is still experimental, because I'm still not sure how I wany to do this mechanic. Of course you may all help.

I made a big change in the (U), because there needs to be more reasons to get it flipped and I think this make it actually a bit better and I think also a bit closer to Thranduil's sugestions.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2010, 01:31:49 AM by Smeagollum »

May 15, 2010, 01:14:48 AM
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Re: The Silmarillion V-set: The cards
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2010, 01:14:48 AM »
New: Gil-Estel, Captain of the Vingilot and Túrin Turambar, Adanedhel

May 15, 2010, 07:51:04 AM
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2010, 07:51:04 AM »
Haha, omnipresent is the same meaning in english, I think Thran was asking what it means in this context.
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I'm imploring people I've never met to pressure a government with better things to do to punish a man who meant no harm for something nobody even saw, thats what I'm doing!

May 15, 2010, 08:16:00 AM
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2010, 08:16:00 AM »
Haha, omnipresent is the same meaning in english, I think Thran was asking what it means in this context.

:) Well what kind of homesite give you to someone who is present everywhere? :)