Rise of the Ring - The Hobbit

[Elf_Lvr]

Just cos 6 isnt high compared to what you HAVE posted doesnt mean its ok! I did mention a limit of 5 without me having to try to kill you....

That was for another thread!

Way too OP, this level of weapon recursion is just obscene, using this with an orc spear or hammer in orc twilight adding decks makes me shudder. You could keep reinforcing this and never run out of weapons. Not very often i say this but the card just needs cutting.

1) You'd run out of weapons once you ran out of them in your deck.

2) The tokens are placed by spotting trolls. How many trolls will you be able to spot on average? Pretty easy to get 3 (with the 3 new ones) but not much beyond that.

3) Reinforce with what? I think culture has one reinforcing card (from T&D, event, remove a threat to reinforce an token) so I don't think that would get out of hand. I only added one reinforcing card in this set myself, again, an event and can only reinforce that card once.

I don't know how to deal with this card; Thran says he prefers recursion, Lem0n seems to hate the recursion possibilities, and Dain fails to specify whom he agrees with.

More balanced way of retrieivng weapons. Also note its your discard pile not a discard pile, and if you intended it to be able to knick other peoples im gonna moan about it!

I intended it to steal other peoples possessions. Moan if you wish. Remember Twisted Tales? That stole FP possessions too... and FROM PLAY, no less. Mine only steals from the discard pile. Besides, a "Troll Hoard" is a place trolls put weapons they steal from people... so flavor-wise, that's what the card is supposed to do. I know I can't sacrifice gameplay for flavor, but as I pointed out, there is a precedent to this.   

[sickofpalantirs]

shouldn't it be as if from hand? on the first ability?

[lem0nhead]

Just cos 6 isnt high compared to what you HAVE posted doesnt mean its ok! I did mention a limit of 5 without me having to try to kill you....

That was for another thread!

Ok well it now applies to all your threads so beware of nasty pointy sticks in the dark!

Way too OP, this level of weapon recursion is just obscene, using this with an orc spear or hammer in orc twilight adding decks makes me shudder. You could keep reinforcing this and never run out of weapons. Not very often i say this but the card just needs cutting.

1) You'd run out of weapons once you ran out of them in your deck.

Completely failed to notice that! So ignore my comments!

2) The tokens are placed by spotting trolls. How many trolls will you be able to spot on average? Pretty easy to get 3 (with the 3 new ones) but not much beyond that.

My point was that you only needed one and then you could reinforce.... Which leads me to....

3) Reinforce with what? I think culture has one reinforcing card (from T&D, event, remove a threat to reinforce an token) so I don't think that would get out of hand. I only added one reinforcing card in this set myself, again, an event and can only reinforce that card once.

Hmmm if thats the case i was completely wrong in my review!

I don't know how to deal with this card; Thran says he prefers recursion, Lem0n seems to hate the recursion possibilities, and Dain fails to specify whom he agrees with.

I like recursion i just misjudged this card's power.

More balanced way of retrieivng weapons. Also note its your discard pile not a discard pile, and if you intended it to be able to knick other peoples im gonna moan about it!

I intended it to steal other peoples possessions. Moan if you wish. Remember Twisted Tales? That stole FP possessions too... and FROM PLAY, no less. Mine only steals from the discard pile. Besides, a "Troll Hoard" is a place trolls put weapons they steal from people... so flavor-wise, that's what the card is supposed to do. I know I can't sacrifice gameplay for flavor, but as I pointed out, there is a precedent to this.   

Yeah and i moaned last time i hate ppl knicking other peoples cards its just wrong! Moan moan moan moan moan.....

Moan...

[Thranduil]

I have no problems nicking other people's stuff, just when you then have the capability to play with your opponent's cards! It's a bit much, methinks.

Thranduil

[Elf_Lvr]

I have no problems nicking other people's stuff, just when you then have the capability to play with your opponent's cards! It's a bit much, methinks.

Yeah. I'll add something like "play a possession you own stacked here" or something.

[Thranduil]

I have no problems nicking other people's stuff, just when you then have the capability to play with your opponent's cards! It's a bit much, methinks.

Yeah. I'll add something like "play a possession you own stacked here" or something.

Just "your possession" would do the trick.

Thranduil

[Elf_Lvr]

A few  for the faithful reviewers. I think that's all for the Three Trolls, but let's back up a bit - and cover this little encounter from the other side.

We'll begin with good Mr. Bilbo. Now, while the culture explores tales in this set, , surprisingly, probably won't. We'll focus on some stealth cards, for now.

Scuttle off Ahead
Event • Fellowship
Stealth.
Exert a Hobbit (or spot Bilbo) to play the fellowship's next site (replacing an opponent's site if necessary).
"Now it is the burglar's turn," they said, meaning Bilbo. "You must go on and find out all about that light, and what it is for, and if all is perfectly safe and canny," said Thorin to the hobbit.

The Burglar's Duty
Event • Fellowship
Stealth.
Exert a Hobbit (or spot Bilbo) to reveal a Shadow player's hand. If you reveal more Shadow cards than Free Peoples cards, remove .
"After all, we have got a burglar with us," they said...

Halfling Stealth
Event • Skirmish
Stealth.
In region 1, cancel a skirmish involving a Hobbit.
At any other site, make a Hobbit strength +2.
But at any rate hobbits can move quietly in woods, absolutely quietly.

It's sort of a reprint, but modernized.

•A Burglar's Legacy
Condition • Support Area
Stealth. Tale.
Each time you play a stealth card, you may add a token here.
Skirmish: Remove 2 tokens from here to make a Hobbit strength +2.
Skirmish: Remove 3 tokens from here to discard a Shadow possession.
A really first-class and legendary burglar would at this point have picked the trolls' pockets-it is nearly always worthwhile if you can manage it-, pinched the very mutton off the spite, purloined the beer, and walked off without their noticing him.

[Thranduil]

Scuttle off Ahead
Event • Fellowship or Regroup
Stealth.
Exert a Hobbit (or spot Bilbo) to play the fellowship's next site (replacing an opponent's site if necessary).
"Now it is the burglar's turn," they said, meaning Bilbo. "You must go on and find out all about that light, and what it is for, and if all is perfectly safe and canny," said Thorin to the hobbit.

Not sure should have such good site path control. Perhaps it should only be a fellowship event.

The Burglar's Duty
Event • Fellowship or Regroup
Stealth.
Exert a Hobbit (or spot Bilbo) to reveal a Shadow player's hand. If you reveal more Shadow cards than Free Peoples cards, remove .
"After all, we have got a burglar with us," they said...

Given that you're adding for the event, I think you should remove but again Hobbits are generally better at stuff like this in the fellowship phase not the regroup phase so perhaps it should be a fellowship only event.

Halfling Stealth
Event • Skirmish
Stealth.
In region 1, cancel a skirmish involving a Hobbit.
At any other site, make a Hobbit strength +2.
But at any rate hobbits can move quietly in woods, absolutely quietly.

Fine, though if Bilbo is your only Hobbit in block and if he's the Ring-bearer...

•A Burglar's Legacy
Condition • Support Area
Stealth. Tale.
Each time you play a stealth card, you may add a token here.
Skirmish: Remove 2 tokens from here to make a Hobbit strength +2.
Skirmish: Remove 3 tokens from here to discard a Shadow possession.
A really first-class and legendary burglar would at this point have picked the trolls' pockets-it is nearly always worthwhile if you can manage it-, pinched the very mutton off the spite, purloined the beer, and walked off without their noticing him.

I was expecting a card like this! Seems very strong for a culture that is already very good at tokens. Perhaps requiring an exertion to play? Or limiting the possession discard to possessions borne by minions?

Thranduil

[sickofpalantirs]

A few  for the faithful reviewers. I think that's all for the Three Trolls, but let's back up a bit - and cover this little encounter from the other side.

We'll begin with good Mr. Bilbo. Now, while the culture explores tales in this set, , surprisingly, probably won't. We'll focus on some stealth cards, for now.

Scuttle off Ahead
Event • Fellowship or Regroup
Stealth.
Exert a Hobbit (or spot Bilbo) to play the fellowship's next site (replacing an opponent's site if necessary).
"Now it is the burglar's turn," they said, meaning Bilbo. "You must go on and find out all about that light, and what it is for, and if all is perfectly safe and canny," said Thorin to the hobbit.
hobbits have reality little pathfinding so I guess it works as a nice simple card.

The Burglar's Duty
Event • Fellowship or Regroup
Stealth.
Exert a Hobbit (or spot Bilbo) to reveal a Shadow player's hand. If you reveal more Shadow cards than Free Peoples cards, remove .
"After all, we have got a burglar with us," they said...
should be some penalty of bonus for reviewing more freeps card IMSO

Halfling Stealth
Event • Skirmish
Stealth.
In region 1, cancel a skirmish involving a Hobbit.
At any other site, make a Hobbit strength +2.
But at any rate hobbits can move quietly in woods, absolutely quietly.
workey

•A Burglar's Legacy
Condition • Support Area
Stealth. Tale.
Each time you play a stealth card, you may add a token here.
Skirmish: Remove 2 tokens from here to make a Hobbit strength +2.
Skirmish: Remove 3 tokens from here to discard a Shadow possession.
A really first-class and legendary burglar would at this point have picked the trolls' pockets-it is nearly always worthwhile if you can manage it-, pinched the very mutton off the spite, purloined the beer, and walked off without their noticing him.

works for me...could cost 1 though IMSO

[lem0nhead]

Scuttle off Ahead
Event • Fellowship or Regroup
Stealth.
Exert a Hobbit (or spot Bilbo) to play the fellowship's next site (replacing an opponent's site if necessary).
"Now it is the burglar's turn," they said, meaning Bilbo. "You must go on and find out all about that light, and what it is for, and if all is perfectly safe and canny," said Thorin to the hobbit.

I dont think double running is a massive strength of hobbits so id cut the regroup ability bit.

The Burglar's Duty
Event • Fellowship or Regroup
Stealth.
Exert a Hobbit (or spot Bilbo) to reveal a Shadow player's hand. If you reveal more Shadow cards than Free Peoples cards, remove .
"After all, we have got a burglar with us," they said...

Nice, but youre exerting and only removing 2 so could cost 0 to make it worth it, also id say look at not reveal as the distinction is important is multiplayer.

Halfling Stealth
Event • Skirmish
Stealth.
In region 1, cancel a skirmish involving a Hobbit.
At any other site, make a Hobbit strength +2.
But at any rate hobbits can move quietly in woods, absolutely quietly.

Sound.

•A Burglar's Legacy
Condition • Support Area
Stealth. Tale.
Each time you play a stealth card, you may add a token here.
Skirmish: Remove 2 tokens from here to make a Hobbit strength +2.
Skirmish: Remove 3 tokens from here to discard a Shadow possession.
A really first-class and legendary burglar would at this point have picked the trolls' pockets-it is nearly always worthwhile if you can manage it-, pinched the very mutton off the spite, purloined the beer, and walked off without their noticing him.

Ok.

[Elf_Lvr]

•Brand of Fire
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength: +1
Bearer must be a Dwarf. This hand weapon may be borne in addition to 1 other hand weapon.
While skirmishing a troll, bearer is strength +1 and damage +1.
He caught up a big branch all on fire at one end; and Bert got that end in his eye before he could step aside.

•Bilbo, Burrahobbit
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 8
Ring-bearer.
In region 1, skirmishes involving Bilbo may be canceled.
Response: If you play a stealth card, exert Bilbo to draw a card (limit once per phase).
"A burrahobbit?" said they a bit startled.

Something I HAD to do, under the circumstances. Yes, there'll be other Hobbits in this set... but I figured we ought to have this guy right now.

Confusing Answers
Event • Maneuver
Add a burden to exert a minion. You may add to repeat this.
"Yes, lots," said Bilbo, before he remembered not to give his friends away. "No, none at all, not one," he said immediately afterwards.

[sickofpalantirs]

•Brand of Fire
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength: +1
Bearer must be a Dwarf. This hand weapon may be borne in addition to 1 other hand weapon.
While skirmishing a troll, bearer is strength +1 and damage +1.
He caught up a big branch all on fire at one end; and Bert got that end in his eye before he could step aside.
humm...where have I seen this before seriously, surely you can think of a better title

•Bilbo, Burrahobbit
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 10
Ring-bearer.
In region 1, skirmishes involving Bilbo may be canceled.
"A burrahobbit?" said they a bit startled.
good, yes...worth it? maybeee...the 10 resistance certainly helps but I really don't think he a should have that much...give him 8-9 and maybe a loaded keyword

Confusing Answers
Event • Maneuver
Add a burden to exert a minion. You may add to repeat this.
"Yes, lots," said Bilbo, before he remembered not to give his friends away. "No, none at all, not one," he said immediately afterwards.

fine

[Thranduil]

•Brand of Fire
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength: +1
Bearer must be a Dwarf. This hand weapon may be borne in addition to 1 other hand weapon.
While skirmishing a troll, bearer is strength +1 and damage +1.
He caught up a big branch all on fire at one end; and Bert got that end in his eye before he could step aside.

Obviously capital 'T' in Troll, but I'd prefer something subtler rather than the overtness of Flaming Brand. Maybe it could somehow discard possessions or prevent assignment actions to combat the Troll strategy.

•Bilbo, Burrahobbit
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 10
Ring-bearer.
In region 1, skirmishes involving Bilbo may be canceled.
"A burrahobbit?" said they a bit startled.

Quite interesting. I think I'd be inclined to agree with SoP: 8 resistance with some other text would be very nice.

Confusing Answers
Event • Maneuver
Add a burden to exert a minion. You may add to repeat this.
"Yes, lots," said Bilbo, before he remembered not to give his friends away. "No, none at all, not one," he said immediately afterwards.

Certainly entertaining, though very dangerous as you might end up completely killing yourself!

Thranduil

[lem0nhead]

•Brand of Fire
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength: +1
Bearer must be a Dwarf. This hand weapon may be borne in addition to 1 other hand weapon.
While skirmishing a troll, bearer is strength +1 and damage +1.
He caught up a big branch all on fire at one end; and Bert got that end in his eye before he could step aside.

Hmmm deja vu!

•Bilbo, Burrahobbit
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 10
Ring-bearer.
In region 1, skirmishes involving Bilbo may be canceled.
"A burrahobbit?" said they a bit startled.

Bit UP but then again if you start allowing other regions it becomes too good. Maybe give him res 11 or something else?

Confusing Answers
Event • Maneuver
Add a burden to exert a minion. You may add to repeat this.
"Yes, lots," said Bilbo, before he remembered not to give his friends away. "No, none at all, not one," he said immediately afterwards.

Could cost 0.

[DáinIronfoot]

I agree with the others, and with Thran in particular.