Followers, aid, transfering etc..

[Elessar's Socks]

The follower is borne by the companion for the rest of the turn, no matter how often the fellowship moves.

So this means nothing then?

The impression I had was that followers weren't meant to be transferred between companions (seriously, it feels sneaky), but impressions might mean squat on technical grounds. Maybe the above quote is just meant to reassure players not to detach followers prematurely, sort of like how the sentence after that is reassuring players not to pay the aid cost again.

The helper text itself doesn't bar a companion-companion transfer (unlike "transfer this to a companion from your support area"), and if the quote can trump game text, then BoGN is in trouble.

[MuadDib85]

The helper text itself doesn't bar a companion-companion transfer (unlike "transfer this to a companion from your support area"), and if the quote can trump game text, then BoGN is in trouble.

Which brings us back to Whisper In The Dark vs 'followers cannot bear other cards'.

I know Lurtzy will disagree with me on this, but I think Whisper's text does let it be played on followers.  (Whisper's game text trumps rule)

I think BoGN game text can be used. (Game text trumps rule)

I think followers cannot be transferred more than once per turn. (There is no game text to trump the rule: "The follower is borne by the companion for the rest of the turn, no matter how often the fellowship moves.") Besides BoGN.

[MR. Lurtzy]

The helper text itself doesn't bar a companion-companion transfer (unlike "transfer this to a companion from your support area"), and if the quote can trump game text, then BoGN is in trouble.

Which brings us back to Whisper In The Dark vs 'followers cannot bear other cards'.

I know Lurtzy will disagree with me on this, but I think Whisper's text does let it be played on followers.  (Whisper's game text trumps rule)

I think BoGN game text can be used. (Game text trumps rule)

I think followers cannot be transferred more than once per turn. (There is no game text to trump the rule: "The follower is borne by the companion for the rest of the turn, no matter how often the fellowship moves.") Besides BoGN.

WIND says that followers are the only ones allowed to bear it. This does not give the follower the ability to bear it, only that followers are the only ones who, if being allowed to bear cards, could.

[MuadDib85]

Why was Whisper In The Dark printed then?

[MR. Lurtzy]

I think it was 1 guy who did the last 3 sets all by himself, and he didn't have a lot of time. I guess he forgot about that rule.

[MuadDib85]

More likely he assumed people would understand this card is allowed to be born by a follower. I don't think it's necessary to add: 'This card may be borne by a follower'. If it was necessary, you have to add something similar to all cards that bend the rules.. and there are plenty that do.

Anyway, it's obvious no one knows all the rules correctly otherwise there would be no arguments.

I have still seen nothing to convince me that followers can be transferred more than once per turn, so that is how I will play from now on.

Followers transferred once only per turn and Whisper In the Dark can be used.

This is the way I think Decipher intended it to be, so that's what I'll go with. I respect everyone's opinion, thanks all for the input.

[Gil-Estel]

And I am with you MuadDib, you jumping mouse!

[mardukra]

So, on this topic of unclear/unfinished rules concerning followers and aid, the rules state what happens to followers at the end of turn and when their bearers are killed.  How about when their bearer is returned to hand like wobas?

[Elessar's Socks]

Followers borne by him are discarded, in line with the "leaving play" rules.

[Olorin]

and again: Can followers be transferred from companions to companions at the start of the maneuver phase (e.g. if you already have moved once this turn?)

I think yes. - and yes, I read the rulebook - but my understand of that is that i can transfer it though - coz i need not let the follower attached to that one companion, but i can do without paying cost again - I think I can choose how to do.

[MuadDib85]

The follower is borne by the companion for the rest of the turn, no matter how often the fellowship moves.

If you are playing against me, you cannot transfer them more than once per turn and Whisper In The Dark is allowed.

[Anautikus]

If you are playing against me, you cannot transfer them more than once per turn and Whisper In The Dark is allowed.

Ditto!

[MuadDib85]

for Gil-Estel and Anautikus for not being swayed to the Dark Side.

[Witchkingx5]

So what about Bayreuth? if I come (and I hope I'll be able to) I might pack in my Elven Deck with Exile! And as I there's no rule that prevetns a follower from being transferred from a comp to a comp...

[MuadDib85]

And as I there's no rule that prevetns a follower from being transferred from a comp to a comp...

This rule prevents it:

The follower is borne by the companion for the rest of the turn, no matter how often the fellowship moves.