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Sarah Palin and Conservative America
« on: August 29, 2008, 01:36:02 PM »
Okay, so she's McCain's VP candidate.

I'm the first person to condemn apathy, and it enrages me the apathy among people today at the state of their country, but up to this point in the presidential election (since I knew it would be McCain vs Obama), I've kinda taken a "who cares?" mentality because in my opinion, either one of them would spell equal disaster to the nation.

Then McCain announced his running mate, Sarah Palin. And being the Christian Conservative that I am, I was impressed. McCain made a very smart move by picking her as his running mate.

1). He counterbalances the "making history" effect of Obama running by also creating history if he wins with the first woman VP.
2). He solidifies the base. Or does he? Therein is the question. Has he alienated the conservative base with his deals with the democrats too much, or is Palin going to be able to reunite the base?

I'm kinda glad I can't vote yet, because I don't have to pick whether to vote for him or write in Ron Paul (yeah, Ron Paul supporter, you got a problem with that?)

But anyways. Do you think that McCain can actually manage to rally the base with Palin?
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August 29, 2008, 01:41:55 PM
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Re: Sarah Palin and Conservative America
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 01:41:55 PM »
Yay. Palin.


Yay.

You kidding? "The Vice Presidency isn't worth a bucket of warm spit."

VP means squat.
Zilch. Zero. Nada.

Well, okay. With McCain (brave yourselves, McCain age joke coming) as old as he is, it might actually matter this time around.

I'm casting a write-in ballot for Odin. Or maybe Anubis.

Yeah, definitely Odin with Anubis as VP. :roll:


Sorry. I can't discuss either Obama or McCain seriously right now. I'm too cynical at this point.
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August 29, 2008, 04:12:52 PM
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Re: Sarah Palin and Conservative America
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2008, 04:12:52 PM »
Good point, AD. We might still get the first female president ever!  =D>

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See, I'm not apathetic about these elections, it's just that I'm in the same boat you're in, Professor Barden. I - literally - put a lot of my money into Ron Paul and seeing him not make it to this point convinces me that America is, well, boned. I see a bit of a difference in rhetoric between Obama and McCain, but I know they'll behave exactly the same once in office.

August 29, 2008, 04:30:05 PM
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Re: Sarah Palin and Conservative America
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2008, 04:30:05 PM »
Yay. Palin.


Yay.

You kidding? "The Vice Presidency isn't worth a bucket of warm spit."

VP means squat.
Zilch. Zero. Nada.

Well, okay. With McCain (brave yourselves, McCain age joke coming) as old as he is, it might actually matter this time around.

I'm casting a write-in ballot for Odin. Or maybe Anubis.

Yeah, definitely Odin with Anubis as VP. :roll:


Sorry. I can't discuss either Obama or McCain seriously right now. I'm too cynical at this point.

I'm writing in a Alan Keyes/Dennis Kucinich ticket.

Its not as worthless as you might think. In actual power, not worth much, but influence it has a lot. Can't actually do anything, but can coax people into doing something.

But the question is, what does this say to Conservative America who knows nothing about what the VP can or can't do.
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August 29, 2008, 08:14:21 PM
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Re: Sarah Palin and Conservative America
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2008, 08:14:21 PM »
T"was a good choice, a very good choice.

August 29, 2008, 10:39:51 PM
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2008, 10:39:51 PM »
I wonder what her definition of "rich" is. Maybe it's only $3M/year instead of McCain's $5M.

/sarcasm

Joking aside, I'm sure she loves America the same as everyone else involved and wants to see its greatness restored. I can't say whether or not I think she can do that, not knowing anything about her other than what the usual news outlets offer (2 years as AK Gov, defeated incumbent Gov in primary & former Gov in general, has 5 kids, one with Downs syndrome, enjoys hockey?).

At any rate, I can't believe anybody would actually think that Obama and McCain would act the same once in office. Honestly, McCain is so out of touch with the average American and their problems, there's no way he can relate to what any of us on these boards face every day.

No matter if you're a Republican or Democrat or Independent, liberal or conservative, religious or atheist, it still is incredibly hypocritical of McCain to have been talking about Obama's lack of experience and then go and pick someone with even less to be his running mate, someone who would be a literal heartbeat from the presidency herself. Then again, that does fit the theme of McCain vs McCain during this campaign, right? I guess I shouldn't be so surprised after all...

On the topic of experience, it doesn't really matter anyway if the president surrounds him or her self with the right people. Bush didn't do that, and our country suffured for eight long years. I would hope that either candidate would do a better job of this and put a focus on integrity and accountability to the American people, but you never know, do you?

Begin serious discourse:

Here's what matters to me: acknowledging the growing disparity of wealth in this county and doing something to close that gap (see below); acknowledging the desperate need for alternative fuels NOW and doing something about it NOW; acknowledging human suffering in all its forms and in parts of the world (eg, the Congo and Darfur) and doing something to stem that; acknowleding a certain line from the Declaration of Independence about equality and understanding that it applies not only to race and religion but also sexual orientation; acknowledging the burden our educators face and understanding that without supporting them and their efforts that this country WILL FAIL; and acknowledging who our TRUE enemies are and going after them by actually seeking them out rather than invading an entirely different country (see below).

Re: Disparity of Wealth
Closing the gap does NOT imply taxing the #$&*@! out of the rich. What this country needs is for the rich to take their foot off the throat of the poor. What this country needs is to be picked up. We need to stop holding each other back and holding each other down and realize that we cannot achieve the greatness that awaits us by dividing the riches among the few and the elite. Squashing the hopes and denying the dreams of others is petty and pointless. There is potential in all of us to do great things, but without opportunity we lose what may be. Welfare needs to be fixed. Healthcare needs to be available for all. Sickness and poverty are a needless pox on society. Our focus needs to change from personal wealth to personal well-being.

This is a two-way street of course, and those who can't afford need to STOP SPENDING. We as a society are addicted to material goods and services, and that must stop. Just as we're addicted to foreign oil, we're addicted to McDonald's and Starbucks, entertainment and having the newest, shiniest everything. This must stop. Who cares what kind of coffee Lindsay had after her workout or that Tom Cruise brainwashed Katie Holmes into joining his religion? Why is it anybody's business if Angelina and Brad want to adopt another 15 Cambodian kids and name them Spock? We need to take responsibility for ourselves and our actions and resolve to better ourselves and help those around us do the same. When 43% of American families spend more each year than they earn, we're doing something wrong and we're putting the focus where it shouldn't be.

Re: Seeking Our Enemies
Iraq was a danger. Perhaps immediate, perhaps not. Without real evidence of WMD's and a plan of attack we will never know. What is known is that Osama bin Laden attacked our country and is hiding in Afghanistan. Not Iraq, not Iran, not Pakistan, Afghanistan. He has been there the whole time we've been in Iraq. Why is he not dead? So that we can continue our war for oil against terrorism in Iraq, whether we belong there or not. In the end, the countries of this world need to come together for humanity to stop evil from gaining a foothold. That would mean a great leap of faith on the part of the US in terms of sharing intelligence (I guess we like to see ourselves as some kind of lone enforcer), so that may never happen, but one can hope.

I don't want to live in, and don't want my children to grow up in, a world governed by fear. Would we be here today if people like Christopher Columbus, the founding fathers of America, Sir Isaac Newton, or Galileo had been afraid of the unknown? If John F Kennedy had not challenged this country to put a man on the moon by the end of the 1960s, would we have tried, or even thought it possible? What if Rosa Parks had given up her seat? What if our grandparents or great-grandparents or so on hadn't come to America, out of fear?

As FDR said, "we have nothing to fear but fear itself," and that's all we've been given for the last eight years: fear.

We cannot give in. We cannot give up hope.

/Serious Discourse

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August 30, 2008, 02:07:07 AM
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Re: Sarah Palin and Conservative America
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2008, 02:07:07 AM »
 :o  My lord, hawkeyespf, you've just summed up my feelings exactly!   =D>  hawkeyespf for president! 

As an American who is now viewing America from the outside, I have had many many eye-opening (along with mind-opening) moments.  I cannot say it any better than hawkeye has, but I would like to say that from what I've seen both within and without the States, he is correct.  If you open your mind to a world view, you see things much more clearly.

The last 8 years have been a continuing disaster of foreign and domestic policy for America.  And McCain says that he wants to continue on with Bush's policies.  He wants to model himself after one of the worst presidents in the history of the United States!  Bleah.   :-X 

Then he chooses his running mate purely to get the women's vote.  As a woman, I am insulted.  McCain hopes that women are so brainless, that we will vote for him just because his running mate is a woman.  Bleah again.   :-X

Palin has said that when/if she's VP, she will continue to look after Alaska's interests.  :suspect:  As one of the leaders of the entire country, shouldn't she be looking after the interests of...the entire country?  But I would expect such a thing from her.  Her husband is a production operator on the North Slope.  Her administration plans to grant a license to TransCanada Alaska to build a 1,715-mile natural gas pipeline from Prudhoe Bay on Alaska's North Slope to a hub in Canada.  Hhhmmmm...looking after Alaska's interests?  Nah, like George Bush, she is looking after her own.

I am sure that there are a few people here who will completely disagree.  There is much more that I would like to say, but I am not interested in getting into a long, drawn out debate about this.  So there's my 2 cents, and I will be voting accordingly (yes, I can and do vote in US elections, lol  :P ).  In the words of the immortal Gump, that's all I got to say about that.   ;D

August 30, 2008, 06:37:17 AM
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2008, 06:37:17 AM »
I don't think anyone can flame you for what you said, hawkeye. Reading that, my respect for you has never been higher.

But I would like to clarify on my comment about both Obama and McCain acting 'the same' once in office. See, I just don't trust either one of them to do the things they're promising to do. I honestly wish I could believe that Obama would break our dependence on oil within 10 years, that he would restore meaning to the middle class, that he would complete even half of the missions he assigned himself during his speech two nights ago, since accomplishing just half would save this country.

I'm not going to vote this year because I don't feel that either candidate deserves my vote. But I hope wildly that whichever one of them makes it all the way holds up the ideals that they've spoken about all along. If any of their words are true, then it's possible that either one of them could restore the country.

August 30, 2008, 07:42:49 AM
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2008, 07:42:49 AM »
I'm not going to vote this year because I don't feel that either candidate deserves my vote.

But don't you think that HOPE deserves your vote? If you can't bring yourself to vote for Obama for the sake of Obama, vote for him for the sake of the HOPE of a better future. As you say, if he can accomplish even HALF of the missions he assigned himself, he will save this country. I know he can do that, we all know he can do that.

HOPE
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August 30, 2008, 08:00:36 AM
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2008, 08:00:36 AM »
I honestly wish I could believe that Obama would break our dependence on oil within 10 years, that he would restore meaning to the middle class, that he would complete even half of the missions he assigned himself during his speech two nights ago

I concur with these sentiments.  But the only way Obama will actually do 1/4 of what he's talking about is by convincing congress to head further down the path of Socialism. How do you think he wants to accomplish universal health care?

I haven't liked McCain for a long time, but so far I'm liking the Sarah Palin pick.  Part of the reason she was chosen was because she's a woman, but that's definitely not all.  She seems like she has alot to offer in economics (something McCain needed), energy, and transparent government.  And if you really want to go down that road... why was Obama chosen to run for President?  Certainly not because of experience...

August 30, 2008, 10:21:19 AM
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2008, 10:21:19 AM »
Socialized healthcare is not a good thing.

August 30, 2008, 12:10:12 PM
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2008, 12:10:12 PM »
Agreed.  plus things are not quite as the dems are saying as far as uninsured Americans.  50 million have 0 healthcare.  30% of that number are people who can afford it, but have decided not to pay for it.  Another 30% are people who qualify for government funded healthcare but they just haven't bothered to fill out the paperwork.  Now that still leaves about 20 million (out of 350 mil) that we need to help be able to get healthcare, but there are better ways to achieve this rather than socialize the industry.

August 30, 2008, 12:19:48 PM
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Re: Sarah Palin and Conservative America
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2008, 12:19:48 PM »
I'm not going to vote this year because I don't feel that either candidate deserves my vote.

But don't you think that HOPE deserves your vote? If you can't bring yourself to vote for Obama for the sake of Obama, vote for him for the sake of the HOPE of a better future. As you say, if he can accomplish even HALF of the missions he assigned himself, he will save this country. I know he can do that, we all know he can do that.

HOPE
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Well...I hope that things get better, and obviously Obama does too. Let's not vote for a president that hopes he can fix things, who doesn't provide a concrete plan, and whose campaign is run solely on the idea of "the other guy's really, REALLY bad."

That doesn't really make me want to vote for him. That and his redistribution of wealth policy is socialism.

The democrats are basically saying McCain = 4 more years of Bush. Bush, though he made a bunch of mistakes, is better than a redistribution of wealth, pro-choice, pro-gay policy of the democrats. Sorry.

But the democrats do have some legit points. Illegal Immigration policy, though they carry it a bit to the extreme, points out some strong concerns. We have been in Iraq too long (though I respectfully submit that entering to begin with WAS good for national security), and need to consider pulling out instead of shoving democracy down the throats of a nation who doesn't want it.

Conclusion: Ron Paul for President.
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August 30, 2008, 04:31:56 PM
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2008, 04:31:56 PM »
very well said...I never flame somebody for belonging to another political party, though I do get really angry when liberals imply that just being conservative makes essentially lower than scum...
so if you can debate thoughtfully and without insulting your opposition I'm not going to flame you...
IDK about obama...my brother is very politically savvy/active...and spent 5 months in DC and actually met the guy...and his conclusion was...
he's scary, nice guy in person but all we know is he's as liberal as anything and he hasn't really said how he plans to do what he says...

as for palin, I think she's gonna accomplish some things, and I think he did have to pick a minority, but thats just my opinion.

and she does have the + of being pro-life and having proved it by keeping a down-syndrome child.

and the thing is, in the end she's not president so I don't give her as much scrutiny as a presidential candidate...and as for biden...well... he's just kinda creepy ;)
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Re: Sarah Palin and Conservative America
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2008, 05:24:44 PM »
very well said...I never flame somebody for belonging to another political party, though I do get really angry when liberals imply that just being conservative makes essentially lower than scum...
so if you can debate thoughtfully and without insulting your opposition I'm not going to flame you...

Clarification: We're not implying that you did this.
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