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May 01, 2011, 08:14:21 PM
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Osama bin Laden is dead...
« on: May 01, 2011, 08:14:21 PM »
The President is about to announce that he is dead and the US has his body.

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May 01, 2011, 08:48:18 PM
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Re: Osama bin Laden is dead...
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2011, 08:48:18 PM »
no joke: i was in the middle of a game on GCCG when my mom unplugged our internet to watch the news on osama bin laden. mom's these days... sheesh...

May 01, 2011, 08:50:14 PM
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2011, 08:50:14 PM »
I know pretty crazy stuff I wonder if Trump will still waste billions on running for President now?

May 01, 2011, 09:00:10 PM
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2011, 09:00:10 PM »
i sure hope that was sarcasm.

May 02, 2011, 04:58:35 AM
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2011, 04:58:35 AM »
Yes, I echo mm. Americans, with the amount of religious teachings they preach, should be the first to admit that, if you can't give life, then you can't take it away either, that is a right reserved for God only. I'm not saying the guy was NOT a douchebag in any way, he was. Then again, he WAS trained by the US military, so, well, yeah. I don't think the world loses anything with his death, honestly speaking, but even so, I wouldn't be one to simply go out and kill him because of that, I know better.

May 02, 2011, 05:07:41 AM
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Re: Osama bin Laden is dead...
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2011, 05:07:41 AM »
It's always a good idea to bring religion into a discussion.

May 02, 2011, 06:31:27 AM
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2011, 06:31:27 AM »
Yes, I echo mm. Americans, with the amount of religious teachings they preach, should be the first to admit that, if you can't give life, then you can't take it away either, that is a right reserved for God only...

Sorry, I'm gonna call this one out. Have you ever read the old testament? Just because you believe in God doesn't make you a pacifist. There is a difference between murder and killing in the defense others or oneself. I'd even go so far as to say (based on evidence from the old testament) that ridding the world of a man that evil is not an evil thing, especially since he was still actively plotting terror against western countries.
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I'm imploring people I've never met to pressure a government with better things to do to punish a man who meant no harm for something nobody even saw, thats what I'm doing!

May 02, 2011, 06:52:02 AM
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Re: Osama bin Laden is dead...
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2011, 06:52:02 AM »
I'd venture to call it a necessary evil (tracking down Bin Laden), but I don't think we should be cheering in the streets about it.  To be honest, I don't think things are going to get any better because of this, and it likely could get worse.

May 02, 2011, 09:00:49 AM
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Re: Osama bin Laden is dead...
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2011, 09:00:49 AM »
i sure hope that was sarcasm.

Partially.  More like it was late at night, and I was over-sugared and hyped up by Obama's speech. 

Yes, I echo mm. Americans, with the amount of religious teachings they preach, should be the first to admit that, if you can't give life, then you can't take it away either, that is a right reserved for God only. I'm not saying the guy was NOT a douchebag in any way, he was.

Douchebag≠ Mass Murderer

If he was just some guy who preached that American was horrible I wouldn't be happy, heck even if he was a guy who engineered attacks against American soldiers I wouldn't think of it as such a big deal...but engineering attacks against innocent civilians?  I'm pretty much ok with him finally getting what he deserved.  Yeah I know, final judgement is reserved for God and all, but I'm not too concerned if we helped him get to that final judgement a little quicker. 

I don't know, maybe I'll end up having a different opinion in a week.

(and I deleted my last post to avoid offending any small children who are on these boards...and because no one should be held to what they said at midnight ;))
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May 02, 2011, 09:48:34 AM
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Re: Osama bin Laden is dead...
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2011, 09:48:34 AM »
I went out last night like everyone else on the looky box and was running around but there wasn't anyone else out in the holler, so I just came back in and went to bed.

May 02, 2011, 10:29:26 AM
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2011, 10:29:26 AM »
It always surprises me when people ignore or discount the NEW Testament when talking about Christianity. Granted, the Old Testament makes for much better drama and thrills, but the "Love Thy Enemy"-Strategy works much better in the long run.

I fully understand how satisfying it must be to see this sorry excuse for a human being dead, but he is now considered a "Holy Jihad Warrior" as the Hamas called him. So, think about it: How much more satisfying could it have been, if the person and the idea of Bin-Laden had been proved to have accomplished NOTHING but bring suffering to everybody, his enemies as well as the people he, supposedly, fought for?

Why not help the societies he recruits his followers from, to develop so such a degree that the people simply stop listening to him and realize what a sick and evil person he had been?

Again, no immediate results, no Hollywood-material. Instead a lengthy, agonizingly slow process which may take generations for the hatred to slowly die out, but it surely beats the vicious circle of violence begetting violence.

I am not saying his killing served no purpose, but I doubt it will have any considerable positive effect of limiting terrorism worldwide. It may very well invigorate his organisation, instead.

Anyway, I may be too naive or too much a realist, but if you want long-term peace, you should be the first to stop using violence altogether, be completely honest to yourself and the people/societies around you, and do what is morally right. The Western world still has a long way to go in that respect...

The Bin-Laden thing may have been necessary to bring closure to many, but now one should honestly start thinking how people could even reach the point at which they believed flying airplanes into skyscrapers was a reasonable thing to do, and fight those conditions that made such madness possible.

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May 02, 2011, 11:32:43 AM
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Re: Osama bin Laden is dead...
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2011, 11:32:43 AM »
No one should be held to what they said after a night of heavy drinking.

I fixed that for you to be more universal.
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May 02, 2011, 12:20:09 PM
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2011, 12:20:09 PM »
Well, your previous president is also a mass murderer, by the same standards (as in, killing innocents during an armed incursion into another's country), and I never saw anyone in the U.S. rushing with a gun in hand to do him in for it.
Yes, he was a terrorist. Yes, what he did was horrible. Yes, the world IS probably better off without him. Even so, death is nothing to cheer about, ever. THIS is my point. Overthrowing his government, arresting him, making him stand trial for the crimes he commited, locking him up pretty much forever, to let him fall into oblivion, THIS is good stuff. Not making him a martyr.

May 02, 2011, 12:27:28 PM
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2011, 12:27:28 PM »
In principle, I agree with you.  To be honest, I think asking people who lost loved ones in 9/11 would be the best way to figure out whether they did something right or wrong. 

It certainly sounds like they tried to capture him, he refused, and they killed him.  Details are still kind of hazy though.
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May 02, 2011, 12:40:23 PM
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2011, 12:40:23 PM »
Kind of tired of religious/moral debates in forums :/ maybe because I've come across like 7 of them last week.

But seriously guys, you DO know that the fact he's dead changes almost nothing in terms of terrorism fighting, right?
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