Sick of Dwarves

[Celebrimbor]

I really hate dwarves.  They're really annoying.  They can get pumped up to huge strength with all of their axes/rings/possessions, prevent wounds with bracers, severely choke the twilight pool, Discard all your conditions with blood runs chill, wipe out all the cards in your draw deck.  It seems that all resistance is in vain.

But I found an evil counter.  Splashing in Grima, Wormtongue will work wonders!  Since a dwarf will be bearing 5+ cards,  it is possible to send all 10+ cards from 2 dwarves back to the opponent's hand.  Wonderful, isn't it?

Benefits: Sending all these cards back will do wonders if you have a particularly good play of minions on the table.  Indirectly it will ease double-moving, as your opponent will have to keep all these cards in hand to keep his dwarves competitive, but cramping his shadow.

[macheteman]

yep... my only question is: did you use the search function to find that grima is the best counter to possession saturated dwarves?

[drj0000]

yea, that is nasty alright, wouldnt hurt to play 1.... but so often if will be worthless if you get it too early or not soon enough or are playing a different deck..... but in reality most people seem to play 3 cards on at least 1 companion.....

[NappyKorn]

I just beat a dwarf deck. Troll of Cirith Gorgor did the trick. On top of that grond was a helpful card as well. Troll at strength 27 laying the beat down on Durin twice then in regroup phase tossed the endurance of dwarves to kinda deal the fatal blow . Grima is indeed a nice route as well.

NK

[ket_the_jet]

Slaked Thirsts is a common counter to Grima.
-wtk

[Creator]

You can beat dwarves with Dunland men if you play them right, as Dunland can toss out fairly large minions without too much twilight, and they punish the Freeps player for possessions. But Dunland can also be very unreliable and has a tendency to clog.

[jdizzy001]

Grima is a double wammy. First it makes dwarves suffer, then with a flooded hand it hurts your opponents next turn.

[macheteman]

yes, i believe "double wammy" is the official term for it. says so in the rule book: "grima, wormtongue would be considered an isengard double wammy. double wammys would be considered, "good"

[jdizzy001]

Slaked Thirsts is a common counter to Grima.
-wtk

Nothing has changed about this statement.
-wtk

Except its awesome. The card i mean. Slaked thirst is also a great shotgun enquea counter

[Imrahil]

I agree that dwarves suck, especially with Slaked Thirsts. I think what I find most irritating is that any idiot can take a dwarf deck and win, since they are blindingly simple to play and (given Slaked Thirst and Blood Runs Chill) have an answer to pretty much everything.

And did I mention that it all comes  at, like, 0 twilight? And cycles beautifully so you can focus almost completely on getting a shadow kill? And has a mechanic in Gimli, Counter of Foes that prevents its conditions from being discarded?

Do you know how much fun I'd have if I could prevent Strength of Arms or Final Count or Glimpse of Fate from being discarded?

Of course, I'd take a Lady Redeemed deck over a dwarf deck any day, but given that we've all decided LR has crossed that hazy line in the sand that we label "OP" I'm stuck ranting about stupid dwarves.

[Not a Zombie]

I think you mean Gimli, Feared Axeman

[jdizzy001]

one option would be to build an anti-dwarf deck. its perhaps not the most ethical approach but it is an option

[Imrahil]

Yup, Gimli, Feared Axeman.

I don't run anti-decks. Dwarves are strong but are still beatable (especially if you can get a good shadow draw early). I've just never understood how the little things (like Durin costing 2 while Gil-Galad and Elendil cost 5) are equatable.

Grima is good, but most people don't run more than three cards on a dwarf anyway.  So unless you're running Grima with Weary or Black Breath/Blade Tip it's not worth it.