Post your Gemp-LotR bugs here

[radry]

Not a Bug but a feature request. Would it be possible to show the larger card on mouse over instead of shift+click?
Also sound notifications during matches would be nice, so it's easier to recognize when the player has to do something.

[Cw0rk]

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=c10ckw0rk$bisa6sqbumw3j8uh

I wanna discard Gondor Bowmen at site 4. I use Strength of Spirit to prevent the exertion. Gondor Bowmen doesn't discard and archery total isn't +2...

[Arcanite]

To above: If you don't fulfil all of the conditions, you won't get the benefits unfortunately.

[fishshoe]

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?gameId=2972

Skirmish at Trollshaw forest, Aragorn vs. Twilight Ulaire Otsea

"Game was cancelled due to an error, the error was logged and will be fixed soon.
Please post the replay game link and description of what happened on the TLHH forum."

[sgtdraino]

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=c10ckw0rk$bisa6sqbumw3j8uh

I wanna discard Gondor Bowmen at site 4. I use Strength of Spirit to prevent the exertion. Gondor Bowmen doesn't discard and archery total isn't +2...

To above: If you don't fulfil all of the conditions, you won't get the benefits unfortunately.

Is that a confirmed ruling? Because by the wording of Strength of Spirit, it looks to me like the character is exerting (satisfying the cost), you simply place no token for the exertion.

Also, in the drop down menus for setting up a table, as well as the validity indicator at the bottom of deck builder page, it looks like War of the Ring Block is listed twice.

ETA: Bug report:

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=sgtdraino$eqhmg5jhm6uy72f7

sgtdraino plays
Troll of Cirith Gorgor
from hand
sgtdraino removes 8 from twilight pool
•Grond, Hammer of the Underworld
added 1 SAURON token to
•Grond, Hammer of the Underworld
Archery fire: fellowship - 1, minion - 0
Troll of Cirith Gorgor
is wounded by Archery Fire
smejko777 assigns characters to skirmish
Game was cancelled due to an error, the error was logged and will be fixed soon.
Please post the replay game link and description of what happened on the TLHH forum.

Troll of Cirith Gorgor was assigned to Boromir, Proud and Noble Man, bearing Blade of Gondor and Elendil's Army when the error occurred.

ETA: ANOTHER bug report, with the same player (smejko777), who has had 3 other bug reports today. I'm guessing it's something in his deck:

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=sgtdraino$du24mi45hizwy8jg

sgtdraino removes 3 from twilight pool
•Legolas, Greenleaf
is used
•Legolas, Greenleaf
exert due to
•Legolas, Greenleaf
Goblin Runner
is wounded by
•Legolas, Greenleaf
Goblin Runner
gets killed
Archery fire: fellowship - 0, minion - 0
smejko777 assigns characters to skirmish
Game was cancelled due to an error, the error was logged and will be fixed soon.
Please post the replay game link and description of what happened on the TLHH forum.

[joepoe]

Error with "Thin and Stretched" (1R279)

All minions were killed in archery phase but burden was still placed at the end of the turn even though no assignments or skirmishes took place.

[bibfortuna25]

To above: If you don't fulfil all of the conditions, you won't get the benefits unfortunately.

Incorrect in this case. Strength of Spirit's wording allows you to get the full benefits of the action without placing the exertion token.

[MarcinS]

To above: If you don't fulfil all of the conditions, you won't get the benefits unfortunately.

Incorrect in this case. Strength of Spirit's wording allows you to get the full benefits of the action without placing the exertion token.

Let me quote you on that one:
"There is no distinction between preventing a cost and not being able to pay a cost. If a cost is paid, the action will have its result, unless the result itself is prevented. If the cost is not paid, the result will not occur. "

In here, clearly the cost has not been paid. And no, Strength of Spirit doesn't say anything about getting full benefit of the action, if you don't exert (place no exertion token).

[MarcinS]

Error with "Thin and Stretched" (1R279)

All minions were killed in archery phase but burden was still placed at the end of the turn even though no assignments or skirmishes took place.

My guess, FP has moved twice during the turn and second time all minions were killed. If not, I need game replay link.

[Hobbiton Lad]

To above: If you don't fulfil all of the conditions, you won't get the benefits unfortunately.

Incorrect in this case. Strength of Spirit's wording allows you to get the full benefits of the action without placing the exertion token.

Let me quote you on that one:
"There is no distinction between preventing a cost and not being able to pay a cost. If a cost is paid, the action will have its result, unless the result itself is prevented. If the cost is not paid, the result will not occur. "

In here, clearly the cost has not been paid. And no, Strength of Spirit doesn't say anything about getting full benefit of the action, if you don't exert (place no exertion token).

I have to disagree on this one. If the card said, "prevent that exertion" then you would be correct. In this case, however the character actually does exert, you just don't place a wound token on the character.

Or think of it like this. A rule says, "every time you do (x), (y) happens". Suppose then an exception occurs that says, "if you do (x), (y) doesn't happen this time". That doesn't keep x from happening. It just keeps the required consequence of x from happening. In this case x=exert and y=place a wound token.

[FM]

I'm not sure this is correct. Putting a wound token for an exertion is not a cause-effect relation, the very act of exerting is putting that token. If something else happens upon an exertion, the cause-effect relation would be between placing the wound token and the effect happening, the way I see it.

[ellesar]

i had an error today when i played strands of elven hair.
when i played it there was an error, an error like you lost connection with the server or the game has been removed.
the result was that the game froze and we ended it with a game cancel request.

replay: http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=ellesar$dsxnuiwmd58ht813

[ellesar]

To above: If you don't fulfil all of the conditions, you won't get the benefits unfortunately.

Incorrect in this case. Strength of Spirit's wording allows you to get the full benefits of the action without placing the exertion token.

Let me quote you on that one:
"There is no distinction between preventing a cost and not being able to pay a cost. If a cost is paid, the action will have its result, unless the result itself is prevented. If the cost is not paid, the result will not occur. "

In here, clearly the cost has not been paid. And no, Strength of Spirit doesn't say anything about getting full benefit of the action, if you don't exert (place no exertion token).

i don't agree here, because if this were the case than strength of spirit is one of the worst cards ever.
that way you can't use it for cards like boromir son of denethor, because folowing your reasening that way you didn't exert, thus you can't make a hobbit strength +3.
If that's how the card works, than it can only be used to prevent an opponent from exerting your companions (and thus also preventing the shadow action if there is such one).
in my opinion, the cards doesn't prevent or cancel the exertion, it still happens, but the exertion token isn't placed on the companion (so cards like lost to the goblins should also be able to be played after strength of spirit is used)

[Hobbiton Lad]

Let's examine the game text of two cards

Strength of Spirit: Spell. Response: If a companion is about to exert, spot Gandalf to place no token for that exertion.

Intimidate: Spell. Response: If a companion is about to take a wound, spot Gandalf to prevent that wound.

Clearly we can see the intent of the designers here. When you look at Intimidate's game text compared to SoS, you can see that the wording of the card in no way indicates that the exertion is prevented. In fact, the phrase "place no token for that exertion" explicitly indicates that there is, in fact, an exertion that takes place even after you resolve the effect of the card.

Intimidate, on the other hand, clearly prevents the wound from happening. So any FP card that has a cost of "wound a companion" would be nullified if you used Intimidate, because it prevents the cost from being paid.

Because SoS does not explicitly prevent an exertion, but modifies the conditions by which an exertion happens, I argue that effects that require an exertion as part of their cost are not prevented by SoS.

I believe there was a rules clarification that Mark Tuttle put out on this card that illustrates this very point. I'll see if I can find it in the Internet archives.

[sgtdraino]

Let me quote you on that one:
"There is no distinction between preventing a cost and not being able to pay a cost. If a cost is paid, the action will have its result, unless the result itself is prevented. If the cost is not paid, the result will not occur. "

In here, clearly the cost has not been paid. And no, Strength of Spirit doesn't say anything about getting full benefit of the action, if you don't exert (place no exertion token).

The cost is exerting, not placing a token.

I'm not sure this is correct. Putting a wound token for an exertion is not a cause-effect relation, the very act of exerting is putting that token.

I think the wording on Strength of Spirit makes it clear that this is not the case:

"If a companion is about to exert, spot Gandalf to place no token for that exertion."

The fact that the card says "place no token for that exertion," makes it clear than an exertion took place. It was not prevented, it happened, you just place no token for it. Since the exertion happened, then the cost was paid. And I think it's also pretty clear that this was the original intent of the card: To make exertion costs cheaper by virtue of this spell.