Let's get a consensus about Harrowdale

[bibfortuna25]

See this post in the League forums:

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/forums/index.php/topic,7592.msg75683.html#msg75683

What is the majority opinion of the boards? If the fellowship begins their turn at Harrowdale and then moves to a different site, does Harrowdale still prevent minions assigned to companions from being fierce?

[Elessar's Socks]

For me it comes down to whether "Until the regroup phase," was intended to mean the entire "each minion skirmishing a companion loses fierce and cannot gain fierce" part should be in effect for that period of time, or whether it was just intended to describe how long the "loses fierce and cannot gain fierce" part was supposed to last.

I'm thinking it's the latter (a 'no' to your question) because I just feel it's odd the designers would make it something like Mount Doom. But as written, I think you've already made a case for minions at the next site losing fierce.

[jdizzy001]

Bib makes a compelling argument, but isn't the text of a site kind of limited to the site itself (mount doom being an obvious exception)?

[NappyKorn]

well isn't it kinda like that fellowship site 2 that says something lik eif you can spot a ranger the move limit for this turn is +1? Even if you don't stay there and move on you can still triple to site 4.

I may be way off but who knows, anyway I would play it as if you started the game at site 1 and it was harrowdale the minions at site 2 that get assigned to companions would lose fierce and be unable to gain it until the 'first' regroup phase which would be at site 2.


NK

[MR. Lurtzy]

I believe move limits are a separate issue, as it remain modified even when the card leaves, no matter what type it is.

[NappyKorn]

On a seperate note though it is a site question. If site 1 is city gates do you start the game by adding a threat? In Gccg when you play the site and click it it does say X amount of companions moves to said site. Im not sure if there is a rule that the fellowship doesnt move to site one or not but is placed there kind of like the Ring-bearer is the only companion placed into play not played. Interesting question either way I guess.

Feel free to split this to another topic if it is not welcomed here, LOL.

NK

[bibfortuna25]

You don't move to site 1, so a City Gates there wouldn't do anything.

[Elessar's Socks]

Come to think (and this was mentioned in the other thread), another reason I get the feeling "until the regroup phase" is meant to be at the end is because otherwise, the card doesn't say how long the lose / can't gain effects should last. I believe these cards usually say it explicitly (e.g. Mithril-coat DM, Prized Lagan, Uruk-hai Rampage).

So at the front, I would've expected the lose / can't gain effects to last until the end of the skirmish phase, because the card wouldn't say otherwise. I'm not sure we can have it both ways by double-dipping the "until the regroup phase" part.

[mardukra]

I could have sworn a handful of you played online Decipher.  Harrowdale NEVER functioned at any other site; it was played often as Rohan fellowships were common.  As with climate change there is no consensus here.

[macheteman]

i have always assumed that after the initial skirmish phase, where the minion loses fierce, then it comes to the regroup phase(minions regain the ability to be fierce), the fellowship chooses to move DURING the regroup phase, and moves to the next site. it never specifies that the effect lasts until the LAST regroup phase of your turn.

so i believe that in the case of double moving, the minions can regain fierce at the start of the very next regroup phase. the regroup phase which the fellowship moves during. just because the fellowship doesn't reconcile, doesn't mean its not a real regroup phase.

-mm

[bibfortuna25]

I dunno, when I played Rohan in Standard/Expanded, if i was forced to go first, I would usually start with Harrowdale to ensure there would be no fierce minions at site 2. No one in my group seemed to object to that. Bit then again, I didn't play competitively much after Shadows was released, so we never got official word from a TD.