galadriel LR and other such OP decks on GEMP

[macheteman]

quick question about GEMP etiquette, is using cards like lady redeemed considered poor sportsmanship on temp? it is very important to me to build decks in such a way that i am within the accepted general practice of gemp users.

thanks,

-mm

[JakeA]

I've never found it to be poor sportsmanship, though I personally choose not to play her. Just be aware that some people may just concede to you automatically if you play her.

[radry]

whats so OP about her? there are other cards that can dispose shadow conditions as well. besides lady redeemed x-listed in standard, extended and WotR standard anyways.

[bibfortuna25]

She's available to use in Movie Block, and if you can't see what is so overpowered about her, then you've got problems. Yes, has the tools to deal with her, but , corsairs, and Ninja Gollum are all vulnerable to her.

[macheteman]

i really hate to see people concede at the sight of her. i'll probably just leave her out.

[radry]

She's available to use in Movie Block, and if you can't see what is so overpowered about her, then you've got problems.

So Deep in Thought (3C30) and Grown Suddenly Tall (4R92) is pretty OP too but neither is x-listed?

[mardukra]

Explaining why cards are banned and/or overpowered has been beaten to death.  Yet, new players haven't played enough or didn't play soon enough to understand the development and interactions of this game. 

Explore http://natewinchester.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/lotrtcg-10-most-broken-cards/

Here is an explanation of some key game changers and how they came about.

[bibfortuna25]

She's available to use in Movie Block, and if you can't see what is so overpowered about her, then you've got problems.

So Deep in Thought (3C30) and Grown Suddenly Tall (4R92) is pretty OP too but neither is x-listed?

Exactly. LR is overpowered but the others are not.

[bokizg]

LR 

[MADG0BLIN]

I really think she should have been banned overall. I think she is way to overpowered.
With the group of friends I still play in real life we have also decided you cannot play her anymore. If you want the reasons, read the article, it sums it up perfectly.

[janjetina]

Galadriel LR definitely is a broken card, it's just that Decipher was late to the party. However, as things stand now, she is a perfectly valid card in the Movie format. Given that, the people who play the Movie format should announce their wish not to play against a Galadriel LR deck, or any deck they consider a NPE (which it may or may not be). As for myself, when she came out with Mount Doom, I preemptively made a therapeutic Gandalf-Elf deck, where I burn Galadriel LR with Saved From the Fire at the first opportunity. That's how I learned to stop worrying and loved the LR.

While I am loathe to introduce too many changes into existing formats up to The Hunters expansion, introducing a custom format based on the movie format, with the X-list changes introduced by the Shadows (with exception of site manipulation / use cards which are overpowered only in post-movie formats) would be a good idea (in practice, I think that Galadriel LR and Legolas DH would be only x-listed cards).

I feel the need to comment on radry's post: there is a huge difference between a zero cost permanent like Galadriel and high cost events (one of which usually needs a combo to work), not to mention that LR works both on conditions and possessions and sets up Cirdan as well.

Alternatively, errata could be pursued, but playtesting is needed to find a proper balance. For example:
At the start of the fellowhip phase, you may exert Galadriel and remove an (Elf) event from the game to discard a condition or a possession.

[Zatzir]

The problem with LR is that she isn't enforced properly, making her startable in any deck.

She also can discard both Conditions and Possessions, where it should have been conditions only. She is also usable both in the FP phase and in regroup (one would have been enough).
Also, the activation has no real cost and can be used any number of times in a phase.

[Nitsuj]

Finally, the coup de grace is that she has that ring which can protect against enquea.  Like if you had to protect her and a ringbearer against swarm, that would open a lot up for Shadow to deal with her.  But since you can go up to 9 companions and laugh at enquea, another balancing mechanism for Galadriel (her low strength) is lost.

[sgtdraino]

I don't play Movie much, so I haven't learned to hate LR as much as some.

As far as Expanded goes, the only deck I really consider to be OP/poor sportsmanship, is the Gamling/Horn/New Chapter combo, which can be used to play out every free peoples card in your deck on the first turn.

[jdizzy001]

I have had her used against me a number of times. She isn't that bad, however, yes she is too big for her britches.

Also, the gentlemen's agreement among TLHH players on GCCG is not seem to be in force among Gemp players. There have been a number of games I have played all the way to the end regardless of whoever my opponent plays. Conceding at the site of a mere card is pretty sad though.

I would say if someone is going to quit just because you play LR then they need to not play LOTR. It is a fact that Decipher made her, (wo)man up. If you want to play without seeing LR then play TS or FOTR.

I don't like seeing OP combos used but I'm not going to whine and complain about them. The internet is still a pretty free place, if you don't like it, then don't play.