Obama Spilling His Military Secret's To The Guy He Wants To Attack

[SomeRandomDude]

I don't claim to be qualified to lead America in the middle of a war on terrorism. But I have enough sense to not stand up and say that we're gonna wage cross-border attacks on our ally. Let's tick off our ally for political gain, shall we? As McCain said, you don't announce something like that retard (loosely paraphrased).

This guy's abysmal foreign policy ideas scare me. A lot. Let's announce a covert operation to the world. Oh dear, we're coming after you, Bin Laden. Better move somewhere else. And let's get our allies ticked off in the meantime. This guy's just gonna botch the whole war on terror.

 

[Gate Troll]

I don't claim to be qualified to lead America in the middle of a war on terrorism. But I have enough sense to not stand up and say that we're gonna wage cross-border attacks on our ally. Let's tick off our ally for political gain, shall we? As McCain said, you don't announce something like that retard (loosely paraphrased).

This guy's abysmal foreign policy ideas scare me. A lot. Let's announce a covert operation to the world. Oh dear, we're coming after you, Bin Laden. Better move somewhere else. And let's get our allies ticked off in the meantime. This guy's just gonna botch the whole war on terror.

 

Which is why he should go jump out a window. 

[AgentDrake]

I don't claim to be qualified to lead America in the middle of a war on terrorism. But I have enough sense to not stand up and say that we're gonna wage cross-border attacks on our ally. Let's tick off our ally for political gain, shall we? As McCain said, you don't announce something like that retard (loosely paraphrased).

This guy's abysmal foreign policy ideas scare me. A lot. Let's announce a covert operation to the world. Oh dear, we're coming after you, Bin Laden. Better move somewhere else. And let's get our allies ticked off in the meantime. This guy's just gonna botch the whole war on terror.

 

Which is why he should go jump out a window. 

Well, no need to be nasty about it. I mean, I am well aware that Obama has demonstrated that, despite the popular opinion, he's completely incompetent in dealing with international diplomacy, foreign policy, et cetera, but that doesn't mean that he has to jump out of a window. I'm sure there's plenty of other options. Like leave all the important decisions to his more competent minions. Not that I agree with any of them, either, but at least they've got something.

[MR. Lurtzy]

I didn't watch the whole debate, what exactly did he say?

[turin08]

The debate went pretty much as I expected. Obama pretty much won on the economy because of McCain's support of the policies of George Bush. McCain however then stomped all over Obama on foreign policy. Pretty much how I would have expected it to go. On another note completely what do you yanks think of the economic crisis? In particular Bush's bail out plan. It seems pretty drastic but then its looking like it needs something drastic. I mean only yesterday you guys had the biggest banking collapse in US history!!! Certainly from the British point of view we need you guys to do something as what is going on over there is having really bad effects over here.

[SomeRandomDude]

Are you nuts? McCain wasn't Bush policies. How is cutting pork barrel spending a Bush policy?

As for the bailout, its none of the government's business. Its a private organization, and a government takeover oversteps the boundaries of government and violates the Social Contract. Government is not supposed to be mom or dad bailing us out whenever we have a problem. Government is simply there to prevent anything criminal from happening.

[Elf_Lvr]

I think that an economic crisis is the biggest threat to America (right now). Enemies within before enemies without, you know?

Plus, it also depends on how much power these guys will wield once actually in office. Checks and balances. How much of what they're saying they'll do can actually be done?

[SomeRandomDude]

If we get line-item veto, a heck of a lot. Even if we don't, a heck of a lot of McCain's stuff can be done.

[FingolfinFinwe]

True.  That's one thing I noticed.  When the moderator asked Obama what things he would have to cut, he basically ignored the question and listed out a bunch of things that he wants to spend towards.   Thank goodness there isn't enough money for him to to what he wants to do. (socialized HC

Overall I think it was pretty much a wash as far as who won the debate.  But that in itself is a win for Obama because this debate was supposed to be 100% foreign affairs, in which he would have been slaughtered.  The 50% economy helped Obama because America seems to be naive enough to follow his ideas.

[AgentDrake]

Forgive me for being a pessimist, but the US economy is screwed. And that's been coming for a long time. Any sort of 'bailout' we try will only make things crash even worse in the long run. Or else just start pushing us closer to socialism via the government buying all the private firms.

That's what happens when a capitalist economy comes to rely almost exclusively on two things: human stupidity and debt. And the combination of the two.

(No, I'm not a Dave Ramsey nut. Honestly, he annoys me. But he is right about all that stuff.)

[turin08]

Thats the thing isn't. No one wants economic socialism but capitalism only works if people are responsible. What we are seeing now is what happens when the capitalist system is run by irresponsible, greedy or just plain stupid people.

[Elf_Lvr]

Thats the thing isn't. No one wants economic socialism...

If it works, I'll take it. Socialism isn't such a bad idea, until it gets implemented by irresponsible, greedy, or just plain stupid people. That's the problem, I suppose.

What we are seeing now is what happens when the capitalist system is run by irresponsible, greedy or just plain stupid people.

90% of people.

[Pepin The Breve]

   Hmmm... i will have to put my stick on that and agree with what Elf_Lvr said: the problem isn´t all about what are the system you adopt but the individuals that constitute it. Obviously capitalism stimulated the development of certain aspects and socialism others (as in any form of organisation you pick) but the essential point is the human values that creates and maintain it (generaly this values tend to be reinforced by the current system).

   Education and formation of critical minds is an essential aspect of a development of a better society (in my point of view) but that´s no coincidence that governaments (here in Brazil for example) put education in the last priority, and i mean qualify education not fisical buildings that makes people reproduce what is said to them as the truth.

   Outside that i have my own elections (regional) going on around here, but i will try to keep an eye in how the things are going on at US.

[turin08]

Good point Elf Lvr. So we're pretty agreed that the overwhelming problem is irresponsible, greedy or just plain stupid people.

[Gil-Estel]

Somehow the world and the US as a part of it, reminds me of Numenor. A society growing and growing and only the sky seemed to be the limit. No one, well a few saw what was happening and the collapse came before people were able to respond...