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Expanded / Re: Rohan/Hobbit/Smeagol with Sudden Strike Archery
« Last post by Tunadan on February 23, 2024, 02:29:10 PM »
I like the idea of DaD, but I don't know if it would be worth it. I'll have to experiment some with him.

Gil-Galad can actually be dealt with fairly easily. Most HKOTN decks take until 5 or 6 to set up their loops, so if they go above 6 or if they add a bunch of burdens to tank archery, Shotgun Enquea can team up with Mumak Commander to kill him.
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Expanded / Re: Rohan/Hobbit/Smeagol with Sudden Strike Archery
« Last post by Orophoin on February 22, 2024, 06:21:34 PM »
I love the addition of Too Great and Terrible. Powerful Guide is way too overbearing in my opinion. You'll still struggle to Gil Galad, but almost everyone does, I guess.

Have you considered one Gollum, Dark as Darkness? I appreciate you'll usually be exerting for the fens, but would the flexibility be worth more than an extra Her Sneak?
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Expanded / Rohan/Hobbit/Smeagol with Sudden Strike Archery
« Last post by Tunadan on February 20, 2024, 12:09:23 PM »
This is a neat deck I've been working on for a few months. It is currently at the strongest it's ever been at, but it probably could get better. This is actually a far-removed iteration from the last one I had in another post.

Ring-bearer: Frodo, Resolute Hobbit
Ring: The One Ring, The Great Ring

Adventure deck:
Anduin Banks
Neekerbreekers' Bog
Doorway to Doom
Steward's Tomb
Mithlond
Caras Galadhon
Dammed Gate-stream
Imladris
Mount Doom

Free Peoples Draw Deck:
1x Smeagol, Always Helps
1x Aldred, Eored Soldier
1x Aragorn, Defender of Rohan
1x Gamling, Defender of the Hornburg
1x Hama, Captain of the King's Guard
1x Éomer, Horsemaster
1x Éowyn, Lady of Ithilien
1x Merry, Swordthain
1x Aldor, Soldier of Edoras
1x Ecglaf, Courageous Farmer
1x Guma, Plains Farmer
1x Leowyn
1x Rohirrim Herdsman
1x Weland, Smith of the Riddermark
1x Aragorn's Bow, Ranger's Longbow
1x Brego
1x Coif
1x Eomer's Spear, Trusty Weapon
1x Erkenbrand's Horn
1x Firefoot
1x Horse of Great Stature
3x Merry's Sword
1x Rider's Mount
2x Rider's Spear
1x Spear of the Mark
1x Sting, Elven Long Knife
1x Throne of the Golden Hall
1x Phial of Galadriel, The Light of Earendil
4x Something Slimy
4x Last Days of My House
4x Simbelmyne
1x Don't Look at Them
1x Follow Smeagol
1x Gladden Homestead
4x There's Another Way
1x Fortress Never Fallen
1x Weapon Store
1x A Light in His Mind
3x Home and Hearth
4x Deagol, Fateful Finder
1x Rohirrim Doorwarden
1x Robin Smallburrow, Shirriff #$&*@!-Robin

Shadow Draw Deck:
2x Gollum, Her Sneak
1x Gollum, Old Villain
4x Archer of Harad
1x Ferocious Haradrim
2x Mumak Commander, Giant Among the Swertings
4x Mumak Rider
4x Southron Murderer
2x The Mouth of Sauron, Messenger of Mordor
1x Gothmog, Morgul Leader
2x Southron Leader
2x Morgul Squealer
2x Úlairë Enquëa, Lieutenant of Morgul
1x Úlairë Nelya, Third of the Nine Riders
1x Úlairë Toldëa, Black Shadow
1x Web
2x Pavise
1x Ships of Great Draught
4x Captured by the Ring
2x Led Astray
4x Sudden Strike
3x Elevated Fire
2x Too Great and Terrible
4x Evil-smelling Fens
2x Countless Companies
4x Howdah
3x Rapid Reload
1x Saruman, Servant of Sauron

Use Simbelmyne, Last Days of my House, Something Slimy, and Deagol to get important stuff out fast. Abuse Home and Hearth for burden removal, Ecglaf and Weapon Store will make sure Merry's Sword stays on the table. If possible, get Aragorn's Bow, RL on him fast and abuse it with ELK. If you're ever at a dwelling, a few Home and Hearth help with that. Use Dispatched with haste in conjunction with your various possession recursion tools to cream corsairs. Hama can help with that too, and is key against Evil Man Possessions.

The shadow is a new and improved version of an Evil Man archery deck that uses Gollum and Sudden Strike to make kills easier. Enquea is in there for easy direct wounds, with the Great Ring being popular, people often use it to convert archery wounds to burdens. Mouth of Sauron comes out to play a lot more often, making Rapid Reload perpetually a problem. Toldea can help handle Gandalf with TGAT, and Nelya can swap your sites. Gothmog is three cheap archery, and the Captured by the Ring add threats to capitalize on.

Things to potentially add:

Lemenya, ET and Cantea, FTW. These two could toss possessions and add threats for when a companion gets killed.

Shelob? This could help zero in on companions for a kill, or just deny a Grimbeorn. Gothmog, ML could make her a monster as well.

More burden removal options for the freeps. Early on a corruption deck can do some damage, and even with the 12 resistance Frodo, it can be tough. Plus recurring Merry's sword constantly is a pain.

Anduril over Bow? The bow is working ok. Might drop it for the OG bow or Anduril FOTW.

Replays:

Wins:

https://play.lotrtcgpc.net/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Tunadan$65va9cy16xklklvz

https://play.lotrtcgpc.net/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Tunadan$ih9ecbd43pn96vb9

Losses:

https://play.lotrtcgpc.net/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Tunadan$5zslu0eh40nna1w8

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The Golden Hall / Re: Announcing VKIT: A tool for producing printable PDFs
« Last post by Phallen Cassidy on February 12, 2024, 08:44:29 AM »
Eventually has arrived! This wound up A LOT more complicated than I remembered, you have to negotiate between 3 data sources before you even get to the programming part I mentioned to format the decklist properly. What's worse, Excel is super localized so I can't just write one formula for everyone to use -- if your system language is German or French or even English (United Kingdom) you will have to make some changes. So first I'll say what we're going to do and then I'll get into how to do it. You may need to figure out some workarounds for the "how" depending on your setup.

Basically, we're tricking the deck importer into adding what we want it to add. Go to VKIT and filter down until you have a single card. I filter for 000 to bring up the card back. Right click on it and select the last option, "Inspect". This brings you to the computer instructions to generate the page you're looking at, highlighting the spot for the card. When you click Add in VKIT, the program checks this spot and recreates all highlighted options to the right so they can be put on a PDF. Right-click on that and pick "edit as HTML." Now you can change the code. Perhaps you can see where we're going with this: if we had an entire decklist here instead of just one card, the program could move that over to the right all at once.  The part in quotes after "value=" is what will be added to the right and where the text is repeated is what shows on the left.

We have our goal. All we need is a decklist formatted to look like the options VKIT wants to see, then we can paste it over the code for the single card on the right. We immediately run into our first problem: VKIT uses card ID rather than just title, so you'll need some source for the IDs.

Kralik posted the spreadsheet that was the basis of the wiki here: http://lotrtcgwiki.com/files/CardData.xls
If you download it we'll have something that mostly lines up with VKIT. There are some typos or differences, 5 or fewer, Speak “Friend” and Enter for example uses different quotation marks between the two. Easily overcome. That's between the VKIT and the spreadsheet though. But we want to go from Gemp to the VKIT, meaning Gemp to spreadsheet to VKIT, which unfortunately means we're not done with data inconsistencies. The Nazgul names famously won't link on the forums because Gemp uses accents while the forums (and the VKIT) do not. Úlairë Enquëa, Lieutenant of Morgul comes up empty, we need Ulaire Enquea, Lieutenant of Morgul. Case matters, too. Lieutenant Of Morgul will not work for VKIT.

I'm going to solve this in Excel. This wound up being a problem because Excel is a very casual kind of program translated into dozens of languages. What I have here may not work for you if the formula names in all caps have to be translated to your system language. You'll also probably need to replace all commas with semicolons, I think only Excel for United States uses commas. I've still got the instructions below, but it'll be up to the individual to translate this into whatever language necessary. Here's what appeared to be a useful resource on the matter: https://edu.gcfglobal.org/en/excel-tips/understanding-regional-differences-in-excel/1/
You could also get around the regional differences by changing Excel to use English (United States). As with everything about this sort of thing, else I don't know what other issues that might cause (especially if you use Excel yourself) and I can't help with it.

With that out of the way, let's get started. Paste your decklist into the spreadsheet at cell T1 (technically you can put it anywhere, but the formulas below expect it to be here). In column U we're going to strip out all the non-English characters in card titles from Gemp so we can match them to titles in the spreadsheet. Here's that formula:
Quote from: Put this in U1
=SUBSTITUTE(SUBSTITUTE(SUBSTITUTE(SUBSTITUTE(SUBSTITUTE(LOWER(T1),"ú","u"),"û","u"),"ë","e"),"é","e"),"ó","o")
If nothing happens, change the formatting at the top from "Text" to "General" then click on the cell and press enter again. If it gives you an error and you're not in the US, you'll need to translate the formula names in all caps and change all the commas to semicolons. Remove the "=" at the start and do find-and-replace to fix these regional issues. Sorry to say I'll be of minimal help here, if you overcome any problems leave a message for future generations. I'm pretty sure it'll work in all versions of Excel, and I'd like to believe that OpenOffice or something similar will let you use Excel formula names? If anyone is using OpenOffice and has trouble let me know and I'll rewrite the formula to be in that syntax.

First problem is solved, we have a way to get from the Gemp title to the card ID. Now we need to have them formatted properly. Remember, <option value="ID_### - Card Name"><\option> is all we need. The formula to format our card names is this:
Quote from: Put this in V1
="<option value="""&LEFT(RIGHT(INDEX($C$2:$C$3497,MATCH(IF(LEFT(U1,4)="Ring",RIGHT(U1,LEN(U1)-SEARCH(":",U1)-1),IFERROR(RIGHT(U1,LEN(U1)-SEARCH("x ",U1)-1),U1)),$A$2:$A$3497,0)),5),2)&"_"&RIGHT(INDEX($C$2:$C$3497,MATCH(IF(LEFT(U1,4)="Ring",RIGHT(U1,LEN(U1)-SEARCH(":",U1)-1),IFERROR(RIGHT(U1,LEN(U1)-SEARCH("x ",U1)-1),U1)),$A$2:$A$3497,0)),3)&" - "&INDEX($A$2:$A$3497,MATCH(IF(LEFT(U1,4)="Ring",RIGHT(U1,LEN(U1)-SEARCH(":",U1)-1),IFERROR(RIGHT(U1,LEN(U1)-SEARCH("x ",U1)-1),U1)),$A$2:$A$3497,0))&""">"&U1&"</option>"
Then copy the formula fields in U1 and V1 down to the length of your decklist in column T. Hopefully (barring any regional differences in Excel formulas) we have a list.

Our final problem is now upon us: decklists consolidate duplicate copies while VKIT lists them all individually. The simplest way is to paste in your decklist with single lines for every card, then paste in any cards with 2x or more, then 3x or more, then finally any 4x copies. VKIT does helpfully group cards by title so the finished product will look right. But that means pasting your decklist 4 times and we can improve on that without much effort. Put a 1 in W1 and put this formula below it:
Quote from: Put this in W2
=IF(ISNA(V2),W1,W1+IFERROR(NUMBERVALUE(LEFT(T2)),1))

Then put a 1 in Y1 and this formula below that:
Quote from: Put this in Y2
=Y1+1

Drag W2 down to the length of your decklist and Y2 down until it's as least as many as the last number in W (I would just go to 200 or something, enough for all the cards in any of your decks). And now to reap the fruits of your labors:
Quote from: Put this in Z1
=INDEX(V:V,MATCH(Y1,W:W,1)+1)

Carry it down and you've got your full decklist formatted for VKIT. Finally, we're ready to make our decklist into a PDF. Copy all the non-N/A cells in column Z, go back to VKIT, filter for a card, right-click > inspect, right click > edit as HTML, paste. Click somewhere else in the inspect dialog box and watch as that one card you don't care about turns into all the cards that you do. Click on the first entry, hold shift, then scroll down and click on the last entry to select them all. Then "Add". BAM. Generate your decklist.

WARNING: the VKIT is definitely not meant to do this. Like I said, we're tricking it into doing what we want. I tried to do 10 decks at once and crashed my entire computer so... I don't recommend trying to add a ton of cards all at once. I would bet that you can still put them all on one PDF by clicking "Add" on just one of them at a time, but do this at your own risk.

Whew! Yeah, I forgot about the title mismatches between Gemp and the spreadsheet and VKIT. But once you do all the above steps, you save your spreadsheet and all the setup is finished. Then you can cut and paste everything to a new tab, clean it up a bit, whatever you want. I expect that ketura, seeing the steps all laid out, will soon update VKIT to just load a decklist and render all of these instructions unnecessary. But in a way that means the instructions have done their job: a user can convert a decklist to a PDF :P
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Valinor / Re: Bad Gemp Players' List
« Last post by Sjoberg on February 11, 2024, 12:24:20 PM »
GreyPilgrim: taunting /name-calling , swear words & ragequit

Replay: https://play.lotrtcgpc.net/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Sjoberg$jvt8p9q8tf9m7y6c
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Valinor / Re: Bad Gemp Players' List
« Last post by Fingolin on February 08, 2024, 04:07:34 AM »
As already reported by other users in this thread, Allan2020 likes to flame and insult in the general chat, on top of the rage quitting.
Attached print screen for reference.
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Fellowship / Re: Any decent Sauron Archery lists for fellowship?
« Last post by Shelobplayer on February 05, 2024, 06:04:54 AM »
I recently won a ROTEL sealed event (offline), and One of You Must do this played a big part in it. Maybe mix Sauron grind with some isengard stuff and add OOYMTT and Caradhras has not Forgiven Us. Some Isengard orcs may even go well with the grind strategy like Orc Overseer or Orc Commander. In general OOYMTT is a pretty good deal on its own if you can hit 2+ races with, which is pretty easy in fellowship block.
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Valinor / Re: Movie Masters - Sealed using only Boosters
« Last post by eomund on January 27, 2024, 03:10:10 PM »
Here are three sample pools along with the decks I made out of them. The first and third are from an older version of the setlist, so has a few cards that I've since swapped out. The cultures indicated are the ones opened for the special one-culture boosters.

Sample Pool 1  [Dwarven]  [Isengard]

Free PeoplesShadowMy Decklist
2   Aggression
1   Battle Tested
1   Dark Ways
1   Defending the Keep
1   Dwarven Bracers
1   Farin, Dwarven Emissary
1   Fror, Gimli's Kinsman
2   Gimli, Son of Gloin
2   Hand Axe
1   Here Is Good Rock
1   Linnar, Dwarven Lord
1   Loyalty Unshaken
1   Stout and Strong
2   Suspended Palaces
1   Tidings of Erebor

1   Ancient Blade
1   Arwen, Elven Rider
2   Asfaloth, Elven Steed
1   Careful Study
1   Company of Archers
3   Elven Sword
1   Feathered
4   Forearmed
1   Galadriel, Keeper of Nenya
1   Legolas, Elven Stalwart
2   Lorien Swordsman
1   Ordulus, Young Warrior
1   Still Needed

1   Depart Silently
1   Fury of the White Rider
1   Gandalf, Friend of the Shirefolk
1   Gandalf, Leader of Men
1   Gandalf, The White Wizard
1   Mighty Steed
2   Mithrandir, Mithrandir!
1   Servant of the Secret Fire
1   Sleep, Caradhras
1   Treebeard, Oldest Living Thing
2   Wizard Staff

1   Be Back Soon
1   Clever Hobbits
1   Follow Smeagol
1   Not Listening
1   Smeagol, Hurried Guide
1   Where Shall We Go

1   An Able Guide
1   Anborn, Skilled Huntsman
1   Banner of Westernesse
1   Boromir, Son of Denethor
1   Cirion
1   Citadel of Minas Tirith
1   Denethor, Lord of Minas Tirith
1   Garrison of Osgiliath
1   Help in Doubt and Need
1   I Will Go
3   Knight's Spear
1   Madril, Faramir's Aide
2   Man the Walls
1   No Stranger to the Shadows
2   Second Level
1   Stand to Arms

1   An Honorable Charge
1   Charged Headlong
1   Eowyn, Daughter of Eomund
1   Ever the Hope of Men
1   Horse of Rohan
2   Long Spear
1   Rider's Spear
1   Riding Armor
2   Rohirrim Herdsman
3   Rohirrim Javelin
1   We Left None Alive

2   A Marvel
1   A Talent for Not Being Seen
1   Brace of Coneys
1   Brave and Loyal
1   Good Work
2   Kept Safe
1   Knocked on the Head
2   Merry, From O'er the Brandywine
1   Merry, Rohirrim Squire
1   Narrow Escape
1   Nine-fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom
1   Pippin, Hastiest of All
1   Rosie Cotton, Hobbiton Lass
1   Unheeded
1   Anger
1   Bound By Rage
1   Burn Every Village
1   Constantly Threatening
1   Dark Fury
2   Dunlending Headman
1   Dunlending Looter
1   Dunlending Madman
1   Dunlending Rampager
1   Dunlending Ransacker
2   Dunlending Renegade
2   Dunlending Warrior
1   Hides
1   Hill Chief
1   Wulf, Dunlending Chieftain

1   A Dark Shape Sprang
1   Gollum, Plotting Deceiver
1   Gollum, Stinker
1   Gollum, Vile Creature
3   Hidden Even From Her
2   Shelob, Last Child of Ungoliant
1   We Must Have It
1   Web

1   Abandoning Reason for Madness
1   Attack on Helm's Deep
1   Down to the Last Child
1   Lieutenant of Orthanc
1   No Dawn for Men
1   Orthanc Warrior
1   Saruman, Keeper of Isengard
1   Saruman, Servant of the Eye
1   Uruk Brood
1   Uruk Regular
1   Uruk Trooper
1   Uruk Veteran
2   Uruk Warrior
3   Uruk-hai Band
1   Uruk-hai Raiding Party
1   Uruk-hai Rampage
4   We Are the Fighting Uruk-hai

1   Dangerous Gamble
1   Denizens Enraged
1   Goblin Backstabber
2   Goblin Bowman
1   Goblin Flankers
1   Goblin Pursuer
1   Goblin Swarms
1   Goblin Wallcrawler
1   Host of Thousands
1   Moria Archer Troop
2   Moria Axe
1   They Are Coming

1   Dark Tidings
1   Desert Lord
1   Desert Nomad
1   Desert Soldier
2   Elite Archer
1   New Strength Came Now
1   Raider Bow
1   Southron Assassin
1   Southron Chieftain
1   Southron Savage

1   Black Breath
2   Black Marshal
1   Blade Tip
1   Drawn to Its Power
1   Morgul Answers
1   Out of Sight and Shot
1   Threshold of Shadow
2   Too Late
2   Ulaire Cantea, Faster Than Winds
1   Ulaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight
1   Ulaire Otsea, Ringwraith in Twilight
1   Ulaire Toldea, Winged Sentry

1   Gate Veteran
2   Grishnakh, Orc Captain
1   I'd Make You Squeak
1   Mordor Defender
1   Mordor Fiend
4   Mordor Soldier
1   Mordor Trooper
1   Orc Butcher
1   Orc Guard
1   Orc Pillager
2   Orc Savage
1   Teeth of Mordor
1   Window of the Eye
Ring-bearer: Frodo, Resolute Hobbit
Ring: The One Ring, The Ruling Ring

Adventure deck:
Hobbiton Woods
Breeland Forest
Rivendell Valley
Moria Lake
The Bridge of Khazad-dum
Galadriel's Glade
Anduin Confluence
Gates of Argonath
Emyn Muil

Starting Fellowship:
1x Gimli, Son of Gloin
1x Legolas, Elven Stalwart

Free Peoples Draw Deck:
1x Farin, Dwarven Emissary
1x Fror, Gimli's Kinsman
1x Linnar, Dwarven Lord
1x Arwen, Elven Rider
2x Lorien Swordsman
1x Ordulus, Young Warrior
1x Galadriel, Keeper of Nenya
1x Dwarven Bracers
2x Hand Axe
2x Asfaloth, Elven Steed
3x Elven Sword
1x Battle Tested
1x Defending the Keep
1x Tidings of Erebor
1x Company of Archers
1x Feathered
2x Forearmed
1x Still Needed
1x Aggression
1x Dark Ways
1x Here Is Good Rock
1x Loyalty Unshaken
1x Stout and Strong

Shadow Draw Deck:
1x Dunlending Looter
2x Dunlending Renegade
2x Dunlending Warrior
1x Hill Chief
1x Lieutenant of Orthanc
1x Orthanc Warrior
1x Saruman, Keeper of Isengard
1x Saruman, Servant of the Eye
1x Uruk Brood
1x Uruk Regular
1x Uruk Trooper
1x Uruk Veteran
2x Uruk Warrior
3x Uruk-hai Band
1x Uruk-hai Raiding Party
1x Desert Lord
1x Southron Assassin
1x Southron Savage
1x No Dawn for Men
4x We Are the Fighting Uruk-hai
1x Attack on Helm's Deep
1x Down to the Last Child
1x Uruk-hai Rampage

Sample Pool 2  [Gondor]  [Wraith]

Free PeoplesShadowMy Decklist
1   Battle Tested
1   Calculated Risk
1   Dwarven Armor
1   Dwarven Axe
1   From the Armory
1   Hand Axe
1   Loyalty Unshaken
1   More to My Liking
2   Stout and Strong
1   Tidings of Erebor

1   Ancient Blade
1   Banner of Elbereth
1   Careful Study
1   Elven Bow
1   Forewarned
1   Hosts of the Last Alliance
1   Legolas, Elven Stalwart
1   Legolas, Fearless Marksman
1   Naith Longbow
1   Ordulus, Young Warrior
1   Phial of Galadriel, Star-glass
1   Shadow Between
1   Shake Off the Shadow
2   The Seen and the Unseen

1   Birchseed, Tall Statesman
2   Depart Silently
1   Forest Guardian
1   Fury of the White Rider
1   Gandalf, Defender of the West
1   Gandalf, Leader of Men
1   Gathering Wind
2   Have Patience
1   Intimidate
1   Light the Beacons
1   Mithrandir, Mithrandir!
1   Numenor's Pride
1   Sleep, Caradhras
2   Treebeard, Oldest Living Thing

1   Don't Look at Them
1   Nasty
1   Never
1   Not Listening
1   Smeagol, Slinker
1   Where Shall We Go

1   Anborn, Skilled Huntsman
1   Aragorn, Captain of Gondor
2   Aragorn, Driven by Need
1   Banner of Westernesse
2   Boromir, Defender of Minas Tirith
2   Boromir, Son of Denethor
2   Dagger Strike
1   Flaming Brand
1   Garrison of Osgiliath
2   Gondorian Sword
2   Gondor's Vengeance
2   Hardy Garrison
2   Hearts Raised
1   I Will Go
1   Knight's Spear
1   Madril, Faramir's Aide
2   Swordarm of the White Tower
2   Third Level
1   While We Yet Live

1   An Honorable Charge
1   Fell Deeds Awake
1   Herugrim
2   Horse of Rohan
1   Hrethel, Rider of Rohan
1   Rohirrim Herdsman
1   Theoden, Leader of Spears
1   Theoden, Son of Thengel
1   They Sang as They Slew

2   A Marvel
2   A Talent for Not Being Seen
1   Bounder
1   Brace of Coneys
1   Brave and Loyal
1   Closer and Closer He Bent
1   Good Work
1   Halfling Deftness
2   Hobbit Sword
1   Kept Safe
3   Knocked on the Head
1   Narrow Escape
1   Nine-fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom
1   Noble Intentions
1   Pippin, Sworn to Service
1   The Shire Countryside
1   Warmed Up a Bit
1   Anger
1   Burn Every Village
1   Dunlending Elder
1   Dunlending Madman
1   Dunlending Ransacker
1   Dunlending Savage
1   Dunlending Warrior
1   Hill Clan
1   Hillman Rabble
2   Hillman Tribe
2   Iron Axe
1   Leaping Blaze
1   War Cry of Dunland

1   Captured by the Ring
1   Gollum, Plotting Deceiver
1   Hidden Even From Her
1   Shelob, Last Child of Ungoliant
1   We Must Have It

1   Orthanc Warrior
1   Saruman, Servant of the Eye
3   Saruman's Ambition
1   Saruman's Snows
1   Troop of Uruk-hai
1   Uruk Regular
1   Uruk Stormer
1   Uruk Trooper
1   Uruk-hai Berserker
3   Uruk-hai Marauder

1   Archer Commander
2   Depths of Moria
1   Goblin Backstabber
2   Goblin Bowman
1   Goblin Flankers
1   Goblin Reinforcements
1   Goblin Scavengers
1   Goblin Spear
3   Host of Thousands
1   Moria Archer Troop
1   Relics of Moria

1   Cast Unto the Winds
3   Dark Tidings
2   Desert Nomad
1   Desert Soldier
1   Far Harad Mercenaries
2   Mumakil of the Harad
1   Raider Bow
1   Red Wrath
2   Southron Assassin
1   Southron Thief
1   Southron Wanderer
1   Thrice Outnumbered

1   Beyond All Darkness
2   Black Breath
1   Black Marshal
1   Blade Tip
1   Drawn to Its Power
2   Gates of the Dead City
2   Nazgul Sword
2   Out of Sight and Shot
1   Put Forth His Strength
1   The Ring Draws Them
1   Threshold of Shadow
1   Too Late
1   Ulaire Attea, Wraith on Wings
1   Ulaire Cantea, Faster Than Winds
1   Ulaire Cantea, Thrall of the One
1   Ulaire Enquea, Faster Than Winds
1   Ulaire Enquea, Lieutenant of Morgul
2   Ulaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight
1   Ulaire Nelya, Thrall of the One
1   Ulaire Nertea, Messenger of Dol Guldur
3   Ulaire Nertea, Winged Hunter
2   Ulaire Otsea, Ringwraith in Twilight
1   Ulaire Toldea, Winged Sentry

1   Flames Within
1   I'd Make You Squeak
1   Mordor Defender
1   Mordor Regular
1   Mordor Savage
1   Orc Butcher
2   Orc Guard
1   Orc Runner
1   Shadow's Reach
2   Teeth of Mordor
1   Window of the Eye
Ring-bearer: Frodo, Hope of Free Peoples
Ring: The One Ring, The Ruling Ring

Adventure deck:
Steps of Edoras
West Road
Base of Mindolluin
Pelennor Prairie
Pelennor Flat
Minas Tirith Sixth Circle
Ruined Capitol
Morgulduin
Slag Mounds

Starting Fellowship:
1x Boromir, Defender of Minas Tirith
1x Pippin, Sworn to Service

Free Peoples Draw Deck:
1x Anborn, Skilled Huntsman
1x Aragorn, Captain of Gondor
2x Aragorn, Driven by Need
1x Madril, Faramir's Aide
1x Banner of Westernesse
1x Flaming Brand
2x Gondorian Sword
1x Knight's Spear
2x Hobbit Sword
2x Dagger Strike
2x Gondor's Vengeance
2x Swordarm of the White Tower
1x While We Yet Live
2x A Marvel
1x Halfling Deftness
1x Nine-fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom
1x Warmed Up a Bit
1x Garrison of Osgiliath
2x Hardy Garrison
2x Hearts Raised
1x Kept Safe

Shadow Draw Deck:
1x Gollum, Plotting Deceiver
1x Shelob, Last Child of Ungoliant
1x Ulaire Attea, Wraith on Wings
1x Ulaire Cantea, Faster Than Winds
1x Ulaire Cantea, Thrall of the One
1x Ulaire Enquea, Faster Than Winds
1x Ulaire Enquea, Lieutenant of Morgul
2x Ulaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight
1x Ulaire Nelya, Thrall of the One
1x Ulaire Nertea, Messenger of Dol Guldur
3x Ulaire Nertea, Winged Hunter
2x Ulaire Otsea, Ringwraith in Twilight
1x Ulaire Toldea, Winged Sentry
2x Nazgul Sword
1x Captured by the Ring
1x Beyond All Darkness
1x Threshold of Shadow
2x Black Breath
1x Black Marshal
1x Blade Tip
1x Drawn to Its Power
2x Out of Sight and Shot
1x Put Forth His Strength
1x The Ring Draws Them
1x Too Late

Sample Pool 3  [Shire] [Moria]

Free PeoplesShadowMy Decklist
2   Aggression
1   Axe Strike
1   Battle Tested
1   Calculated Risk
1   Dwarven Axe
2   Dwarven Bracers
1   Gimli, Skilled Defender
1   Gimli, Son of Gloin
1   Here Is Good Rock
1   Stout and Strong
1   Suspended Palaces

1   Arwen, Elven Rider
1   Arwen, Fair Elf Maiden
1   Banner of Elbereth
1   Careful Study
1   Elrond, Herald to Gil-galad
1   Elven Bow
1   Elven Brooch
1   Feathered
1   Forearmed
2   Forewarned
1   Glimpse of Fate
1   Legolas, Elven Stalwart
1   Naith Longbow
1   Behold the White Rider
1   Echoes of Valinor
1   Forest Guardian
2   Fury of the White Rider
1   Gandalf, Defender of the West
1   Have Patience
2   Intimidate
1   Mighty Steed
1   Mithrandir, Mithrandir!
2   Ottar, Man of Laketown
1   Task Was Not Done
1   Treebeard, Oldest Living Thing
1   Wizard Staff

1   Days Growing Dark
1   Don't Look at Them
1   Never
1   Not Listening
1   Poor Wretch
2   Smeagol, Hurried Guide
1   Very Nice Friends

1   A Path Appointed
1   Anborn, Skilled Huntsman
1   Aragorn, Captain of Gondor
1   Banner of the White Tree
1   Dagger Strike
1   Garrison of Osgiliath
2   Gondorian Sword
1   Hardy Garrison
2   Madril, Faramir's Aide
1   Man the Walls
1   Second Level
1   Third Level
2   We Must Go Warily

2   An Honorable Charge
2   Deor
1   Eomer, Rohirrim Captain
1   Eowyn, Daughter of Eomund
1   Fell Deeds Awake
2   Horse of Rohan
1   Hrethel, Rider of Rohan
1   Leowyn
1   Long Spear
1   Rider's Spear
1   Rohirrim Guard
2   Rohirrim Herdsman
2   Theoden, Son of Thengel
2   Theoden, Tall and Proud

1   A Marvel
1   Bill the Pony
2   Bounder
1   Brace of Coneys
2   Filibert Bolger, Wily Rascal
3   Halfling Deftness
1   Hobbit Sword
1   Kept Safe
1   Knocked on the Head
1   Merry, From O'er the Brandywine
1   Merry, Rohirrim Squire
3   Nine-fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom
1   Noble Intentions
2   Pippin, Wearer of Black and Silver
1   Sam, Proper Poet
1   The Tale of the Great Ring
1   Anger
1   Constantly Threatening
3   Dark Fury
1   Dunlending Elder
2   Dunlending Madman
1   Dunlending Robber
1   Dunlending Warrior
1   Freca, Hungry Savage
1   Hides
1   Hillman Rabble
1   Hillman Tribe
1   No Refuge
1   Ravage the Defeated
1   War Cry of Dunland

1   Captured by the Ring
2   Gollum, Old Villain
1   Hidden Even From Her
1   Hobbitses Are Dead
1   Let Her Deal With Them
1   You're a Liar and a Thief

1   Down to the Last Child
1   No Dawn for Men
1   Orthanc Champion
1   Orthanc Warrior
1   Tower of Orthanc
1   Troop of Uruk-hai
1   Uruk Regular
1   Uruk Stormer
3   Uruk Veteran
2   Uruk-hai Band
1   Uruk-hai Marauder
2   Uruk-hai Raiding Party

1   Goblin Bowman
1   Goblin Flankers
1   Goblin Marksman
2   Goblin Pursuer
2   Goblin Reinforcements
1   Goblin Runner
1   Goblin Scavengers
1   Goblin Sneak
3   Goblin Spear
2   Goblin Wallcrawler
1   Host of Moria, Legion of the Underdeeps
1   Host of Thousands
2   Moria Axe
1   Plundered Armories
1   They Are Coming
1   Threat of the Unknown
1   Troll's Keyward

1   Cast Unto the Winds
1   Desert Fighter
1   Desert Nomad
2   Desert Soldier
1   Harsh Tongues
1   Mumak Commander
1   Rallying Call
1   Red Wrath
1   Southron Assassin
1   Southron Captain
2   Southron Savage
1   Thrice Outnumbered

1   Black Breath
1   Black Marshal
1   Blade Tip
2   Morgul Answers
1   Nazgul Sword
1   The Twilight World
1   Threshold of Shadow
1   Ulaire Cantea, Faster Than Winds
1   Ulaire Enquea, Lieutenant of Morgul
1   Ulaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight
1   Ulaire Nertea, Winged Hunter
1   Ulaire Otsea, Ringwraith in Twilight
2   Ulaire Toldea, Winged Sentry

1   Enheartened Foe
1   Mordor Defender
1   Mordor Regular
1   Mordor Savage
1   Mordor Veteran
1   Morgul Hunter
2   Orc Assault Band
1   Orc Butcher
2   Orc Pillager
1   Orc Runner
1   Orc Taskmaster
2   Teeth of Mordor
1   Window of the Eye
2   You Bring Great Evil
Ring-bearer: Frodo, Courteous Halfling
Ring: The One Ring, The Ruling Ring

Adventure deck:
Farmer Maggot's Fields
Midgewater Moors
Rivendell Terrace
Great Chasm
The Bridge of Khazad-dum
Dimrill Dale
Anduin Wilderland
Shores of Nen Hithoel
Summit of Amon Hen

Starting Fellowship:
1x Eowyn, Daughter of Eomund
1x Merry, Rohirrim Squire
1x Pippin, Wearer of Black and Silver

Free Peoples Draw Deck:
1x Hrethel, Rider of Rohan
1x Rohirrim Guard
2x Theoden, Tall and Proud
1x Eomer, Rohirrim Captain
1x Sam, Proper Poet
1x Elrond, Herald to Gil-galad
2x Deor
1x Leowyn
2x Bounder
2x Filibert Bolger, Wily Rascal
1x Long Spear
1x Rider's Spear
1x Bill the Pony
1x Hobbit Sword
1x Dagger Strike
1x A Marvel
3x Halfling Deftness
2x Nine-fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom
1x Fell Deeds Awake
1x Kept Safe
1x The Tale of the Great Ring

Shadow Draw Deck:
1x Goblin Bowman
1x Goblin Flankers
1x Goblin Marksman
2x Goblin Pursuer
2x Goblin Reinforcements
1x Goblin Runner
1x Goblin Scavengers
1x Goblin Sneak
2x Goblin Wallcrawler
1x Host of Moria, Legion of the Underdeeps
1x Troll's Keyward
1x Desert Fighter
1x Mordor Defender
1x Mordor Veteran
1x Orc Runner
1x Orc Taskmaster
1x Ulaire Enquea, Lieutenant of Morgul
3x Goblin Spear
2x Moria Axe
1x Host of Thousands
1x Threat of the Unknown
1x Plundered Armories
1x They Are Coming
2x Teeth of Mordor
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Valinor / Re: Movie Masters - Sealed using only Boosters
« Last post by eomund on January 27, 2024, 02:37:47 PM »
Looking at the lists with that in mind, you're right. It's worth discussing whether you want that though. A swarm deck has to comprise of a lot of cheap minions and I'm not sure there's any way to get that together here. I count around 35 cards that'll give you a minion costing 2 or less (including cards which pull other cards and minions that can play for less in some circumstances like Goblin Scavengers with Goblin Armory), out of a pool of, what, 234 cards? Only 10 of those could cost 1 or less. Swarm doesn't usually need very much synergy at all, stupid swarm (playing 1-cost minions regardless of culture) has won tournaments. In this pool of cards, though, you probably do need a lot of it. With that in mind, Goblin Armory doesn't seem very impactful after all. Strange to say, but true.

When I said swarm requires synergy, I meant that swarm cards (like 1-cost minions) aren't very powerful unless you play a lot of them. "Mostly swarm with a splash of beatdown" works, but "mostly beatdown with a splash of swarm" doesn't.

One thing I'm embarassed to say I hadn't considered was the spread of 1-cost minions over the whole shadow pool; I mostly looked at curves one culture at a time. I think it would make a lot of sense to add more 1-cost and 2-cost minions in other shadow cultures so that a Moria-based swarm deck has more options to splash from other cultures. That, combined with dedicating 1/4-1/3 of the deck as beatdown to slow the opposing fellowship, should make swarm strategies far more plausible.

All of that assumes that 7 minions on the table is competitive in a format where people are probably not too attached to any particular companion and have little to lose if Enquea kills one. There's a reason cards like Far Harad Mercenaries were printed as commons. If I didn't do anything wrong, swarm decks aren't really going to happen. Now, maybe that's good. I really disliked playing against swarm for my first few years in the game, and it means you don't need to worry nearly as much about RB support.

I don't think swarm is ever going to be the most reliable/powerful strategy in this format, but I would like it to exist. Using very rough numbers, I think having it be a strategy that works in 5%-10% of pools (in other words, around 1/2 or 2/3 of Moria pools) would be a good goal. That way players can't ignore RB support, but can still be competitive if they don't open much.

The power level and frequency of large fellowship hate is something absolutely needs to be fine-tuned by someone with more competitive experience than me.

Now, I agree with your hesitancy to just up the number of packs. It's not really sealed when you've got all the cards you want anyway. At the same time, without enough cards to build towards some direction it's still not really sealed. I think there's not enough room for strategy in the current layout. But again, I might be looking at this all wrong. You've done some simulations, maybe you can share a sample deck? Or perhaps PM me the code you used so I can run a few for myself?

I've tried to attached the code to this post; if that doesn't work, I can dm it to you. It's a short python script (CreatePool.py) that uses the other two attached files (Template.txt and MasterCardlist.csv) to create a file that can be imported as a format into Zorbec's Decklist Builder. The "format" is one in which the only legal cards are the ones that you opened (including limits based on how many you opened). I'll also pop a couple of examples as a follow-up post for people who are interested to see what they look like without having to create their own.

Another option for a "base pack" is to format it the same way as the others. A group of 36 cards where you get 11 of them based on rarity. That's what I was thinking, at least, although again it might require the other packs to be restructured and I don't think that's a good thing at this point. But you can ensure that these are characters with little to no cultural enforcement and that the rares are solid starting companions or somesuch. I have not looked at companions the same way I looked at e.g. swarm above though, it's quite possible that things are fine now. That's why I was saying prioritize splashability for Free Peoples commons though, if a player only has 50 reasonably-usable cards then deckbuilding is more about detail than direction.

I haven't found problems building a functioning FP side, but I would love to hear what you think after looking at some pools yourself!

Ultimately, one of the reasons Draft works so well in Magic is that you can make your deck work after you get your cards. You don't really draft the core, you draft that cards you want to go around that core and then choose the core yourself. The core for Magic, of course, is lands. The draft pack and Hobbit Draft Game base deck basically serve this purpose, just provide it up front. You know what you're building from in those cases, and in Magic where you know what you're building toward. Either way, there's an anchor for it all. I think FPs in particular really need an anchor.

This is a really interesting perspective! The difference, of course, is that lands are deliberately simple/uninteresting, whereas starting companions are hopefully exciting. A better analogy might be the commander in a Commander Legends draft: ideally you pick an exciting one during the draft, but there's always Prismatic Piper to fall back on if you have to. That leads me personally towards having some "basic" versions of companions available to everyone to make sure they can always fill out a deck. It's still something I'd prefer to avoid, but it deserves some serious thought.

This is a tangent, but there's also an as-of-yet-unused part of Gemp's draft where you pull multiple cards at once. Players could have a choice between, for example, Legolas with two weapons vs Aragorn with his two weapons vs Gandalf with his sword and staff. It would be awfully complicated to wedge such a thing into this concept, I just felt it was worth mentioning for some reason. I guess we've talked about every other way to spice up sealed already so it seemed to fit :P

As you say, this would be complicated to wedge into this concept, but it seems like a very efficient way to make narrow support cards like Ranger's Sword work in a draft environment.
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The Golden Hall / Re: Announcing VKIT: A tool for producing printable PDFs
« Last post by TelTura on January 27, 2024, 09:51:49 AM »
At some point we should probably put a decklist importer in.  The original VKIT from the SWCCG has an xml importer (which is the format their gemp uses), which ought to be adaptable.
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