AUSTRIAN FORMAT

[Olorin]

about the sitepath: only the new sites are meant to be played (from set 11 and later) - and for players who don't have cards past set 10, I think it should be very easy to get nine sites from the newer sets...
so only new sites are allowed to play.

Everything's clear so far? ;-)

I think we can do better then this. I've got a system which allows old sites to be played in this system.

Shadowwcost site - original region in which the site original belongs + region in which the site is played = total twilightcost

Example:

A site 9 from fotr-block with a cost of 9 is played

in region 1: 9 - 6 = 3 + 0 = 3
In region 2: 9 - 6 + 3 + 3 = 6
in region 3: 9 - 6 = 3 + 6 = 9

A site 4 with 1 cost played in region:

1: 1 - 3 = 0 (can not be less then 0) + 0 = 0
2: 1 - 3 = 0 + 3 = 3
3: 1 - 3 = 0 + 6 = 6 

Thanks for spending thoughts onto this topic - but there it starts to get complicated: Site cards are wheter good (fpp) nor bad (shadow) cards; If I now play an "old" fellowship from set 1-10 and a "new" shadow site, from set 7-19 and I am allowed to play also old sites... hmmm... then I may play with the old Bridge of Khazad-dûm The Balrog Demon of Might at site 5 from my deck at twilight cost -6!!! This is just one example...

I would say let the AUSTRIAN FORMAT as the Austrian guy invented it - play one site of your deck with 1-10 or 7-19, 9, 14, 16 are always allowed - only new sites may be used.

This means that you can play:

- Standard format (new fellowship and new shadow)
- a mix of a new fellowship and a old shadow
- a mix of an old fellowship and a new shadow

only new sites can be used... all The One rings can be used... all alternative Ringbearer can be used...

I think, it is so simple!

Concerning x-list: Expanded X-list have to be taken; though at our last tournament we made a modification as Saruman Keeper of Isengard was allowed that the old Uruk-Hai had a chance to smash newer fellowships with Savagery to match their numbers up... and so on...

And please do not forget the most important things:

- Keep everything simple - avoid to much specifications
- give most of the people the chance to participate a tournament
- find a format/rules to keep everything fair and balanced

I think the Austrian Format covers those things best...

[King89]

i love it to play this format, especially while using an old shadow site and a new fellowship or the other way round! the best idea olorin has ever had .

[Smeagollum]

No, Olorin is excluding the old sites. However this is not fair, because some decks need these sites. There are cards that only work on old sites. Think about frodo''s cloak, the conditions for ringbound man, Balrogcondition, some Sauronconditions, a certain Sauron troll... etcetera. I agree that in this system the old bridge should be banned. But I see only this site as a real problem.

So I suggest either a ruling which allows the old sites or a ruling so that the cards can be used.

I will send Bert a pm to convince him to take one of my decks for the new cards. I know a very nice one for him

[Olorin]

...hmm... using old sites... I know, that certain cards works with them... but I think it's getting so confused...

[Smeagollum]

Okay, then I suggest that site symbols for tt- and rotk- sites will be ignored.

By the way in Amsterdam we tested this system and it does work and it's not that complicated. And it could be nice to be tested in a tournament!

[Olorin]

Okay, then I suggest that site symbols for tt- and rotk- sites will be ignored.

By the way in Amsterdam we tested this system and it does work and it's not that complicated.

I personally thought in the past about ignoring those symbols for tt and rotk... hmm... I have to look over that...
...what do you guess: how many cards have those special symbols got? (in summary tt and rotk?)

[Smeagollum]

not more then 15 I guess.. I need to see that at home..

I know of one balrogcondition from tt-block
one saurontroll from rotk
at least one sauroncondition from tt
3 gondorconditions from tt (regarding ringboundman)
I thought 1 raidercondition
Frodo's cloack

That's so far I can think of

[Elrohir]

 

Firstly: How do you want to play the old sites? Be aware of Hobbit Farmer, Silinde, Uruviel, Maid of Lorien

Secondly: Austria Format is a melange between movieblock and standard. So this was ok. But we can not say to play old cards, but bann bridge, just because it is too good! Either allow all "allowed cards" or bann all "banned cards". A subjectiv selection would be more than unbalanced, complicated and unfair.

Edit: I had had asked how movieblock is played. Now I know it. thanks GE 

[Gil-Estel]

Yeah, in the Fellowship block cards referring to sites didn't have a symbol, but they kinda should. So that would increase the number of cards enormously...

Movieblock, dude....FotR, TT and RotK combined, walking on RotK sites...Reflections can be included...

[Elrohir]

How does Goldberry work on movieblock?? (about participating in archery in skirmishes?)

[Gil-Estel]

I would say she doesn't, because without a special sign, her homesite is site 2 fellowship. But I don't know whether there has been a clarrification..

[Kralik]

I would say she doesn't, because without a special sign, her homesite is site 2 fellowship. But I don't know whether there has been a clarrification..

That is correct. And, flavor wise, it makes sense that she is Home 2 (Fellowship). Way back there.
On the topic of playing with old sites... don't forget the ridiculous combination of Ettenmoors* + certain Nazgul...

[Gate Troll]

On the topic of playing with old sites... don't forget the ridiculous combination of Ettenmoors* + certain Nazgul...

Or Ettenmoors* + Orc Slaughterer .

[Gil-Estel]

Ettenmoors and healing nazgul are way worse...infinitive strength....and everyone here likes the sound of infinitive right? Exert +2 heal, exert +2 heal......love it...

[King89]

No, Olorin is excluding the old sites. However this is not fair, because some decks need these sites. There are cards that only work on old sites. Think about frodo''s cloak, the conditions for ringbound man, Balrogcondition, some Sauronconditions, a certain Sauron troll... etcetera. I agree that in this system the old bridge should be banned. But I see only this site as a real problem.

So I suggest either a ruling which allows the old sites or a ruling so that the cards can be used.

I will send Bert a pm to convince him to take one of my decks for the new cards. I know a very nice one for him Smiley

...but it's more difficult to "develop" a certain well-working format, then making suggestions how it might works better ;-)
and i have to agree at the point that using old sites would confuse too many players...
finally you can play block format if you want to use fs / ttt oder rotk sites.