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January 22, 2009, 06:29:37 PM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2009, 06:29:37 PM »
With the current wording on foresee, you either ship them all to the top or to the bottom. Is this the intention?

January 23, 2009, 12:35:05 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2009, 12:35:05 AM »

[2]The Mirror of Galadriel, Guide for the Wise [Elven]
Artifact • Support Area
To play, spot Galadriel.
At the start of the maneuver phase, you may exert a companion with resistance 7 or more to foresee 4 (look at the top 4 cards of your draw deck; you may replace them on top of or beneath your draw deck in any order). Then you may draw a card.
"‘What shall we look for, and what shall we see?'"
L R 27

Ok doke.

[2] Lighting the Way [Gandalf]
Event • Maneuver
Spell.
When you play this card, you may foresee 2 (look at the top 2 cards of your draw deck; you may replace them on top of or beneath your draw deck in any order).
Exert a [Gandalf] Wizard to make each companion (except the Ring-bearer) unyielding until the end of the regroup phase (the resistance of unyielding companions is not modified by the number of burdens).
L C 39

Powerful as heck, why "til the end" of the regroup?

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January 23, 2009, 02:46:47 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2009, 02:46:47 AM »
With the current wording on foresee, you either ship them all to the top or to the bottom. Is this the intention?
No it isn't. I'll fix that; thanks.

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January 23, 2009, 10:45:44 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2009, 10:45:44 AM »
I like those keywords. In which phase do you use Foresee?
Any phase that the card tells you to. :mrgreen:

As some examples, here are 2 cards that might be in the set:

[2]The Mirror of Galadriel, Guide for the Wise [Elven]
Artifact • Support Area
To play, spot Galadriel.
At the start of the maneuver phase, you may exert a companion with resistance 7 or more to foresee 4 (look at the top 4 cards of your draw deck; place any number of those cards on top of or beneath your draw deck in any order). Then you may draw a card.
"‘What shall we look for, and what shall we see?'"
L R 27
I think its way too good.  maybe foresee 2-3.

[2] Lighting the Way [Gandalf]
Event • Maneuver
Spell.
When you play this card, you may foresee 2 (look at the top 2 cards of your draw deck; place any number of those cards on top of or beneath your draw deck in any order).
Exert a [Gandalf] Wizard to make each companion (except the Ring-bearer) unyielding until the end of the regroup phase (the resistance of unyielding companions is not modified by the number of burdens).
L C 39
I think its ok...
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January 23, 2009, 03:56:11 PM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2009, 03:56:11 PM »
Good choice with the Unyielding keyword over Indomitable.

I like the concept of Assaulter but the keyword seems a bit of an oddity. Perhaps STRATEGIST or COMMANDER or something similar.

Using skirmish events is hard to plan for when assigning skirmishes and this could form a nasty deck concept.

January 26, 2009, 01:55:21 PM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2009, 01:55:21 PM »
Good choice with the Unyielding keyword over Indomitable.

I like the concept of Assaulter but the keyword seems a bit of an oddity. Perhaps STRATEGIST or COMMANDER or something similar.

Using skirmish events is hard to plan for when assigning skirmishes and this could form a nasty deck concept.
You're right about assaulter, which is why I have changed it to the following:

Aggressor (for each aggressor assigned to a skirmish, each Shadow card's twilight cost is -1).

This is allowing a lot of scope for playing things during the skirmish phase, not just high cost skirmish events. We'll be seeing some of this in my other thread... :hey:

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February 04, 2009, 04:11:51 PM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2009, 04:11:51 PM »
I've been thinking about more stuff (I know, it's terrible! :roll: ).

First, I have an idea which is in part inspired by the Frenzied Fighter/Held discussion:

What if "corrupted" was more general? Currently, "corrupted" is a word that only means something on the Ring-bearer, that the Ring-bearer has resistance 0. I say, why not use the terminology more generally? Could it be used for any companion? I want to say if my Eomer has resistance 0 that he's corrupted, because it's quite flavourful and I'm not sure enough was made out of that 0 threshold. It would also (more as a by-product rather than a purpose) make Held do something on a non-Ring-bearer Frodo; Held says "At site 9, Frodo is corrupted". Using this terminology, that would simply mean "At site 9, Frodo is resistance 0." Do you think this is a useful and/or flavourful terminology?

Something else I've been thinking about is adding new non-character unloaded keywords into the mix. Currently, you have words like:

Search
Stealth
Spell
Tale


but nothing else so general (sure lots of specifics like weather). Could there be any others? What about ancient or shock (I'm just spewing random nouns)? Or could previously character keywords go onto other cards? What about a valiant event? A Southron condition? Twilight is the easiest of these to conceptualise. These might be similar to tribal cards from MTG.

Do you guys have any ideas or thoughts?

February 04, 2009, 07:33:45 PM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2009, 07:33:45 PM »
I like it.

February 04, 2009, 07:48:23 PM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2009, 07:48:23 PM »
I definitely like where you are going with the whole "Corrupted" discussion.  I had always thought more should have been made of that dynamic.  What would it mean for a Companion to find itself corrupted? They would obviously have succumbed to the pull of the ring, so would they lose some stats? Perhaps lose the ability (or will) to protect the ring-bearer (skirmish). What if the Free Peoples player could no longer assign that Companion to a skirmish, thereby that character would only be able to fight if they are directly attacked (a minion is assigned to them).  I'm just sort of tossing some ideas around here but its certainly an interesting concept.

February 04, 2009, 08:13:04 PM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2009, 08:13:04 PM »
I like the corrupted idea. The only problem is that Decipher made some of the resistance reducing cards from shadows rather effective (Take Our Foes Are Weak for example).
Decipher probably did this because getting someone to 0 resistance didn't do anything except for what the shadow player could key off of it with.
It would add several new resistance based shadow decks, and would make some things more interesting.

February 06, 2009, 02:13:39 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2009, 02:13:39 AM »
Well... I wasn't necessarily planning to attach any rules to the state of being "corrupted", I was just going to let Shadow cards key off it. Do you think I should make it into a rule?

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February 06, 2009, 10:28:26 AM
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Re: Light & Shadow - Experimenting with Keywords
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2009, 10:28:26 AM »
nah. just key off of it. a lot. and powerfully ;)
and than give the freeps cards some good ways to add resistance,
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