POLL: Players Committee. Let your opinion be heard.

[Disco Stu]

1 How important is it to you that a Player's Committee (PC) is formed to deal with rules questions, overpowered cards, and create new cards?
a. I REALLY want a PC to add life to the game and fix Deciphers mistakes.

2 What strategy do you prefer the PC use to deal with "overpowered" cards?
e Errata and/or bans

3 How important to you is it that the templates used on virtual cards is an exact match to current cards?
a. Necessary, without a matching template I won't use them.
(the original template is too perfect to ignore)

4 If a PC is formed and makes a decision you don't like how will you react?
b Adapt and play anyway.
(maybe i would try to become a member of the pc)

5 What are you looking for in a PC? What does it need to give the players in your opinion?
first it has to fix the problems big D has left for us (i.e. deal with overpowered cards or strange rules). if that is finished, it can work on new cards (or making old cards (sites) playable in a new environment (shadows block)) and new mechanisms. beside that it can try to consolidate regular organized game play.

[Jerba]

Total Bump. Talk it out folks. Lets move on the idea of a players committee! I'm in favor of a TLHH Players Committee, are you? No one else will help us but us.

Can we keep our game fresh, new, and fun? Can we bring back old players? Can we fix existing problems?  Absoluetly we can.

[legolas3333]

1.A
2.B
3.C
4.B

[Smeagollum]

Quick Poll:

1. How important is it to you that a Player's Committee (PC) is formed to deal with rules questions, overpowered cards, and create new cards?
a. I REALLY want a PC to add life to the game and fix Deciphers mistakes.


2. What strategy do you prefer the PC use to deal with "overpowered" cards?
e. A mix (please specify)
I'm not fond of banning cards. First you should have good arguments to do so. And 2nd you've to see if nothing else first fails to something such drastic.

3. How important to you is it that the templates used on virtual cards is an exact match to current cards?
c. Not important, I just want new cards to play with!

4. If a PC is formed and makes a decision you don't like how will you react?
E. It depends how they are argumented. If a pc decides we gonna x everything we don't like, without first seeing if there are alternatives and try these alternatives then I think the pc is not doing a good job. It just depends how the pc functions.

5. What are you looking for in a PC? What does it need to give the players in your opinion?
Guidelines. One central point. A vision about keeping this game alive. making sure there are tournaments regulary, which I think is important and crucial for survival.

[Aragorn_Ellessar]

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A
C

[Thranduil]

1. How important is it to you that a Player's Committee (PC) is formed to deal with rules questions, overpowered cards, and create new cards?

a. I REALLY want a PC to add life to the game and fix Deciphers mistakes.

2. What strategy do you prefer the PC use to deal with "overpowered" cards?

e. A mix (bans, restrictions or errata, wherever appropriate)

3. How important to you is it that the templates used on virtual cards is an exact match to current cards?

c. Not important, I just want new cards to play with!

4. If a PC is formed and makes a decision you don't like how will you react?

b. Adapt and play anyway. If I don't like a ruling, I just won't play with it!

5. What are you looking for in a PC? What does it need to give the players in your opinion?

It just needs to bring life to the game by rekindling people's interest. This can be done with new rulings, fixing overpowered cards and most importantly having new cards to play with.

Thranduil

[Smeagollum]

4. If a PC is formed and makes a decision you don't like how will you react?

b. Adapt and play anyway. If I don't like a ruling, I just won't play with it!
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[Legosmurf]

1. How important is it to you that a Player's Committee (PC) is formed to deal with rules questions, overpowered cards, and create new cards?
a. I REALLY want a PC to add life to the game and fix Deciphers mistakes.

2. What strategy do you prefer the PC use to deal with "overpowered" cards?
e. A mix (Erratas and restrictions)

3. How important to you is it that the templates used on virtual cards is an exact match to current cards?
b. Important but I can deal with it (I can alway make my own to exactly match the template; I already made templates for some of the cards!).

4. If a PC is formed and makes a decision you don't like how will you react?
a. Complain but still use the PC's rulings and products. (My players group might decide not to use certain PC erratas but on the whole I would try to follow the PC).

5. What are you looking for in a PC? What does it need to give the players in your opinion?
I think it should mostly deal with clarifying the rules and fixing the faux pas of Decipher. It should also make old cards that are no longer playable playable by erratas and or restrictions.

[Elessar's Socks]

Hm, I might have to revise my thoughts on virtual cards. The way SWCCG does it is that you can still choose which version to run, the original or the new, correct? I'd definitely prefer that to making everything essentially errata.

[HawkeyeSPF]

Correct - on my end, I was frustrated because I thought people would assume that you could do just that (use either version). I never thought people would think that the (V) version would be the only legal version.

So yes, the plan (in my head anyway) is to create all new text for current cards that could then be printed out and put into a sleeve with the original card.

If things go well and the PC and its players behave well and play according to the rules any interested parties (Decipher/New Line/Tolkien) lay down, we MIGHT just be able to make cards like Smaug etc.

[Jerba]

Hm, I might have to revise my thoughts on virtual cards. The way SWCCG does it is that you can still choose which version to run, the original or the new, correct? I'd definitely prefer that to making everything essentially errata.

Yeah, thats an important clarification! I just assumed that people knew that, but shouldn't have. Thanks for pointing that out!

[Elessar's Socks]

Usually I see something like "Let's change useless cards to make them playable!" and then it's off to the races.

Assuming we're on our own for the time being, what are we legally allowed to use, graphics/text-wise? Like, could we not turn The Eye of Sauron (V) into Smaug (humor me with the picture), since he's not referenced by any Decipher card?

It looks like Question 3 (templates) is a sticking point for many, and some groups have managed to get away with it, but I think we should do it right. Getting hit with a cease-and-desist would be a quick way of ending things.

[HawkeyeSPF]

Usually I see something like "Let's change useless cards to make them playable!" and then it's off to the races.

Assuming we're on our own for the time being, what are we legally allowed to use, graphics/text-wise? Like, could we not turn The Eye of Sauron (V) into Smaug (humor me with the picture), since he's not referenced by any Decipher card?

It looks like Question 3 (templates) is a sticking point for many, and some groups have managed to get away with it, but I think we should do it right. Getting hit with a cease-and-desist would be a quick way of ending things.

I think you answered your own question with your last paragraph there, ES. If we want to "do it right" - and I agree that we should - really the only thing we can do at this point is create a very generic cover slip with no lore, and only basic shapes to represent Str, Vit, and Res.

Once Decipher knows we've got our sh*t together, we'll be in a position to ask for permission to use templates. Once we've got Decipher on our side, we'll be able to take things to Tolkien and see about using their IP and representative images.

And yes, a C&D would quickly shut things down, and I don't think many people realize that Decipher and Tolkien both have every right to send us one at any point once we've started things.

[Smeagollum]

Usually I see something like "Let's change useless cards to make them playable!" and then it's off to the races.

Assuming we're on our own for the time being, what are we legally allowed to use, graphics/text-wise? Like, could we not turn The Eye of Sauron (V) into Smaug (humor me with the picture), since he's not referenced by any Decipher card?

It looks like Question 3 (templates) is a sticking point for many, and some groups have managed to get away with it, but I think we should do it right. Getting hit with a cease-and-desist would be a quick way of ending things.

I think you answered your own question with your last paragraph there, ES. If we want to "do it right" - and I agree that we should - really the only thing we can do at this point is create a very generic cover slip with no lore, and only basic shapes to represent Str, Vit, and Res.

Once Decipher knows we've got our sh*t together, we'll be in a position to ask for permission to use templates. Once we've got Decipher on our side, we'll be able to take things to Tolkien and see about using their IP and representative images.

And yes, a C&D would quickly shut things down, and I don't think many people realize that Decipher and Tolkien both have every right to send us one at any point once we've started things.

Hawk,

Is it also possible to make new cards without picture; So people can print this card with an own (lotr) image/picture? Would that be legal, because:

We don't sell anything
We don't use image's or pictures (we can't help it if other people do, right?)

Regards,

jw

[Gil-Estel]

I think not, because we're using their template, their idea, their system. But that is just my input....