Namarie (POLL)

[SomeRandomDude]

Okay, here is a poll concerning whether Namarie should be banned in Austrian format. The results here will be put on the list of rules for the Austrian format and will be considered the accepted variant of TLHH.

Please keep it civil. I will not hesitate to lock the thread if the conversation gets out of hand again. I'm closely monitoring this thread.

With that, I have the poll open for 7 days. Vote!

[TheJord]

I have voted, people know my feeling on this one

[Gil-Estel]

I think it should be restricted, or changed, limited to once per turn or such.

[thewitchhunter]

One card to bind them all... ;-P

Namarie kills each condition heavy shadow, so it should be x-listed in Austrian Format.

[sickofpalantirs]

It should be banned.  No one card should be allowed to totally kill a shadow.

[King89]

It should be banned.  No one card should be allowed to totally kill a shadow.

i totally agree with you.

[Kralik]

The problem I see is that many "old" Shadows are very condition dependent. Wouldn't want to lose entire playstyles to one "new" card!

[Gil-Estel]

Saruman's Power? Sleep Caradhras? Deep in Thought? Grown Suddenly Tall?

[Kralik]

Saruman's Power? Sleep Caradhras? Deep in Thought? Grown Suddenly Tall?

Gandalf strategies with a specific niche, and events at that. Compare with Namarie which provides infinite tokens for Gil-Galad and can be used incrementally. Also, Namarie with destroy conditions played in your Shadow phase, so they don't get even one turn to be used. Deep in Thought can do the same, true, but it has the twilight spotting requirement.

[Gil-Estel]

I know, but my main problem with Namarie is indeed the synergy with Gil-Galad. I would love to say namarie to him, let him go into the west . The reflections one is viable enough, also strong with a nice ability!

[sickofpalantirs]

SC lets you use em for a turn.  Grown suddenly tall! yeah for 5 twilight! 
for 2 twilight and little to no effort, namarie destroys all conditions.  Plus elves already had company of archers, secret sentinels, and in standard seclusion which provided more than enough condition discard.

[Olorin]

YESSS! I am happy to see your comments!

[Malachi]

Had a game recenly where my opponent had 2 Namarie out with 5 Huter companions. Each regroup he used Gil-Galad to play from discard 2-3 Elven Marksmanship and 1-2 Take up the Bow, then replay Namarie itself. So, even without the Faithful Stone almost none of my minions ever get to skirmish, not to mention my conditions.

[Olorin]

Had a game recenly where my opponent had 2 Namarie out with 5 Huter companions. Each regroup he used Gil-Galad to play from discard 2-3 Elven Marksmanship and 1-2 Take up the Bow, then replay Namarie itself. So, even without the Faithful Stone almost none of my minions ever get to skirmish, not to mention my conditions.

Yap, it's ridiculous to doubt that Namarie is broken or even to deny it!

[Gil-Estel]

Well, it is a ridiculous strong card, but it only affects the shadows working with conditions. The real problem stays with Gil-Galad with his ability to retrieve conditions. Well, this will be an endless debate.