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December 01, 2009, 03:51:42 PM
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Re: Back to the Light - ORC
« Reply #135 on: December 01, 2009, 03:51:42 PM »
I like the spotting requirements now.
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December 01, 2009, 10:36:50 PM
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Re: Back to the Light - ORC
« Reply #136 on: December 01, 2009, 10:36:50 PM »
they're all good except for Ugluk, i would make it strength +1
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December 02, 2009, 11:50:30 AM
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Re: Back to the Light - ORC
« Reply #137 on: December 02, 2009, 11:50:30 AM »
they're all good except for Ugluk, i would make it strength +1

Well, from some sort of consistency standpoint, I would like to see Ugluk get some sort of conditional strength +3 bonus. But I like the card as it stands as well.
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December 02, 2009, 12:21:19 PM
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Re: Back to the Light - ORC
« Reply #138 on: December 02, 2009, 12:21:19 PM »
[3] Orkish Footpad [Orc] (Goblin Sneak)
Minion • Orc
Str: 8
Vit: 1
Sit: 4
Ambush [1]. Tracker.
When you play this minion, you may place an [Orc] or tracker minion in your discard pile on the bottom of your draw deck.
B C 72

I love the flavor of it having Tracker and Ambush, but whiel you're at that, he SHOULD cost less and be a really small guy. Scouts ARE small and expendable, after all... (side note: don't EVER serve the boy scouts alongside myself, I WILL leave you to your death in the woods... :D)

[3] Orkish Officer [Orc] (Orc Officer)
Minion • Orc
Str: 7
Vit: 3
Sit: 4
Besieger.
Each time a companion is overwhelmed in a skirmish involving an [Orc] or besieger minion, you may add 3 burdens.
B U 73

I'd make it rare, lower its vitality by 1 and give it lurker.

[4] Orkish Underling [Orc] (Isengard Underling)
Minion • Orc
Str: 9
Vit: 2
Sit: 4
Ambush [1]. Tracker.
When you play this minion, you may spot a companion with resistance 4 or less to take into hand a Shadow event from your discard pile.
B C 74

I would make it vitality 1 (thus making ambush less useful) and lose the resistance requirement, or lower the minion's cost by 1 to keep the requirement (and STILL keep ambush).

[4]Uglúk, Minion of Isengard [Uruk]
Minion • Uruk-hai
Str: 9
Vit: 3
Sit: 5
Aggressor. Tracker. (For each aggressor minion assigned to a skirmish, each Shadow card is twilight cost -1).
The roaming penalty for each tracker minion you play is -2.
While you can spot an [Orc] minion in your discard pile, each tracker minion is strength +2.
B R 106

I'd cap it, and let you spot X minions to give them strength +X. Seriously. He's not even fierce, after all.

December 02, 2009, 12:34:20 PM
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Re: Back to the Light - ORC
« Reply #139 on: December 02, 2009, 12:34:20 PM »
(0) Gathering to His Call [Orc]
Event • Shadow or Skirmish
Exert an [Orc] minion to foresee 2 , then reveal the top card of your draw deck. If it is a search card, you may add [2].
B C 68

Really cool, I have always loved foresee anyway.

[2] Hidden in the Depths [Orc]
Condition • Support Area
When you play this condition, you may spot another [Orc] card to search your draw deck for a minion and place it in your discard pile.
Skirmish: Discard this condition and an [Orc] minion to play a minion from your discard pile.
B R 69

Graveyard fodder? really? Well, most reanimation decks let you "cheat" the mana cost, which is what makes them appealing in the first place, so I'd let it play a minion for FREE, as long as it's twilight cost was close to the one discarded (maybe cost of discarded minion + 2-3)

[5] Time of the Orc [Orc]
Event • Skirmish
Spot an [Orc] card to reveal the top X cards of your draw deck, where X is the number of companions with resistance 4 or less. Play any number of [Orc] or besieger minions revealed as if from hand.
B R 75

Make it spot corrupted companions instead (if you're using the concept on the set), and let the cards be played FOR FREE - like, they're corrupted, so they betrayed the party and sold them out to the orcs.


December 03, 2009, 02:24:42 AM
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Re: Back to the Light - ORC
« Reply #140 on: December 03, 2009, 02:24:42 AM »
Thanks for some great thoughts FM! :gp:

Graveyard fodder? really? Well, most reanimation decks let you "cheat" the mana cost, which is what makes them appealing in the first place, so I'd let it play a minion for FREE, as long as it's twilight cost was close to the one discarded (maybe cost of discarded minion + 2-3)
Good point - I had forgotten that this game wasn't Magic!

Make it spot corrupted companions instead (if you're using the concept on the set), and let the cards be played FOR FREE - like, they're corrupted, so they betrayed the party and sold them out to the orcs.
I think I'd rather add a corrupted clause, like "Play any number of [Orc] or besieger minions revealed as if from hand (and those minion's are each twilight cost -2 if you can spot a corrupted companion)." What do you think of that?

I would make it vitality 1 (thus making ambush less useful) and lose the resistance requirement, or lower the minion's cost by 1 to keep the requirement (and STILL keep ambush).
The way I generally look at minions with ambush is I see their twilight cost as essentially -1. So I think I would pay [3] for his other abilities, and so I'm not sure about reducing his cost. I want to keep the requirement (because almost by definition, cards in this block have to care about resistance).

I'd cap it, and let you spot X minions to give them strength +X. Seriously. He's not even fierce, after all.
That's a good point, he should be fierce (or at least damage +1). And I'm not sure about reducing his pump to 1 - he doesn't seem that good to me, even if he's fierce. I could change it to other trackers? In fact, I might do that.

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December 03, 2009, 03:50:12 PM
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Re: Back to the Light - ROHAN
« Reply #141 on: December 03, 2009, 03:50:12 PM »
Now we leave the Shadow for a while and return to the light (Back to the Light! See what I did there? 8-) :roll: ).

Let's start with some multiculture [Rohan]:

[1] Muster the Host [Rohan]
Condition • Support Area
Fellowship: Exert a [Rohan] companion and either a [Gondor] companion or a [Shire] companion to add a [Rohan] token here.
Regroup: Remove a [Rohan] token here to draw a card.
B C 81

[5] Unstoppable Charge [Gandalf]
Event • Regroup
Toil 3.
Spot 2 [Rohan] companions with resistance 3 or more to discard each minion.
B C 33

[3] Dauntless Protectors [Gondor]
Event • Skirmish
Toil 2.
Prevent all wounds to a [Rohan] or valiant companion with resistance 3 or more.
B U 42

[3]Théoden, Returned [Gandalf]
Companion • Man
Str: 7
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Valiant.
While you can spot a [Rohan] or [Gandalf] companion, Théoden's twilight cost is -1.
Each time you play a [Rohan] or [Gandalf] event, you may exert Théoden to exert a minion.
B U 31

December 03, 2009, 03:55:01 PM
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Re: Back to the Light - ORC
« Reply #142 on: December 03, 2009, 03:55:01 PM »
[1] Muster the Host [Rohan]
Condition • Support Area
Fellowship: Exert a [Rohan] companion and either a [Gondor] companion or a [Shire] companion to add a [Rohan] token here.
Regroup: Remove a [Rohan] token here to draw a card.
B C 81
Regroup drawing for [Rohan] is something I always thought would make them better. They are already great at expanding the move limit!

[5] Unstoppable Charge [Gandalf]
Event • Regroup
Toil 3.
Spot 2 [Rohan] companions with resistance 3 or more to discard each minion.
B C 33
I guess resistance is not very important in the Westfold, is it?

[3] Dauntless Protectors [Gondor]
Event • Skirmish
Toil 2.
Prevent all wounds to a [Rohan] or valiant companion with resistance 3 or more.
B U 42
This card is pretty cool. You have expanded valiant to make this a lot more universal as well. I like this one a lot.

[3]Théoden, Returned [Gandalf]
Companion • Man
Str: 7
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Valiant.
While you can spot a [Rohan] or [Gandalf] companion, Théoden's twilight cost is -1.
Each time you play a [Rohan] or [Gandalf] event, you may exert Théoden to exert a minion.
B U 31
Hmm...this guy is a little curious. I am not 100% sure that I like Theoden as a [Gandalf] culture companion...I mean, he is the King of Rohan and all. But I don't mind him being similar to Dain where he gets bonuses from his culture and [Gandalf].

I like the exerting minions bit. He is like an even better version of Leader of Spears. On record, Theoden, Leader of Spears is probably the coolest foil card ever.
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December 04, 2009, 12:56:53 AM
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Re: Back to the Light - ROHAN
« Reply #143 on: December 04, 2009, 12:56:53 AM »
Now we leave the Shadow for a while and return to the light (Back to the Light! See what I did there? 8-) :roll: ).

Let's start with some multiculture [Rohan]:

[1] Muster the Host [Rohan]
Condition • Support Area
Fellowship: Exert a [Rohan] companion and either a [Gondor] companion or a [Shire] companion to add a [Rohan] token here.
Regroup: Remove a [Rohan] token here to draw a card.
B C 81

Make it remove 2 tokens

[5] Unstoppable Charge [Gandalf]
Event • Regroup
Toil 3.
Spot 2 [Rohan] companions with resistance 3 or more to discard each minion.
B C 33

ok, it seems a little like Guarded,but i like it

[3] Dauntless Protectors [Gondor]
Event • Skirmish
Toil 2.
Prevent all wounds to a [Rohan] or valiant companion with resistance 3 or more.
B U 42

it just seems a little... boring? I don't know maybe it's the title, it's ok for cost and ability though

[3]Théoden, Returned [Gandalf]
Companion • Man
Str: 7
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Valiant.
While you can spot a [Rohan] or [Gandalf] companion, Théoden's twilight cost is -1.
Each time you play a [Rohan] or [Gandalf] event, you may exert Théoden to exert a minion.
B U 31

hmm i see a Powerful Guide combo here, i think it should be stylized like Aragorn, Guide and Protector, so make it a "exert a minion he is skirmishing.
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December 04, 2009, 05:36:32 PM
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Re: Back to the Light - ROHAN
« Reply #144 on: December 04, 2009, 05:36:32 PM »
I think that Theoden was written to start with Gandalf, Leader of Men. And that's cool.

December 07, 2009, 03:48:18 AM
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Re: Back to the Light - ROHAN
« Reply #145 on: December 07, 2009, 03:48:18 AM »
Okay, apart from my substandard titles, I'm ready to move on. This is the last of the [Rohan] culture.

[1] Rohirrim Armory [Rohan]
Event • Maneuver or Skirmish
Spot a [Rohan] companion with resistance 3 or more to foresee 2. Then reveal the top card of your draw deck. If it is a possession or artifact, you may play it. (To foresee 2, look at the top 2 cards of your draw deck; place any number of those cards beneath your draw deck in any order, and the rest on top of your draw deck in any order).
B U 83

[2]Herugrim [Rohan] (reprint)
Possession • Hand Weapon
Str: +2
Vit: +1
Bearer must be Théoden.
He is damage +1.
B U 79

[3]Éomer, Saviour of Helm's Deep [Rohan]
Companion • Man
Str: 7
Vit: 3
Res: 5
Knight. Valiant.
Regroup: Exert Éomer to play a companion from your hand. If that companion is a knight or valiant companion, you may discard a minion.
B U 77

[2]Merry, Rider of Rohan [Rohan]
Companion • Hobbit
Str: 5
Vit: 4
Res: 8
Valiant.
Maneuver: Exert Merry twice to exert a minion once for each [Rohan] companion you can spot.
B R 80

Notice Merry's Sword. I know, I'm so sneaky! :uh-huh:
« Last Edit: December 10, 2009, 02:47:31 AM by Thranduil »

December 07, 2009, 09:19:45 AM
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Re: Back to the Light - ROHAN
« Reply #146 on: December 07, 2009, 09:19:45 AM »
[1] Rohirrim Armory [Rohan]
Event • Maneuver or Skirmish
Spot a [Rohan] companion with resistance 3 or more to foresee 2. Then reveal the top card of your draw deck. If it is a possession or artifact, you may play it. (To foresee 2, look at the top 2 cards of your draw deck; place any number of those cards beneath your draw deck in any order, and the rest on top of your draw deck in any order).
B U 83
This is a very helpful card. I like this one quite a bit and is flavorful to the [Rohan] culture.

[2]Herugrim [Rohan] (reprint)
Possession • Hand Weapon
Str: +2
Vit: +1
Bearer must be Théoden.
He is damage +1.
B U 79
Reprint Sword of the Mark. They set the precedent by creating a newer, stronger sword for Theoden. It would be non-sense for you to revert to a weaker one. Or, have a little fun and bump the twilight cost up [1] and give it extra text.

[3]Erkenbrand, Saviour of Helm's Deep [Rohan]
Companion • Man
Str: 7
Vit: 3
Res: 5
Knight. Valiant.
Regroup: Exert Erkenbrand to play a companion from your hand. If that companion is a knight or valiant companion, you may discard a minion.
"Down from the hills leaped Erkenbrand, lord of Westfold."
B U 77
This guy seems really really good. I am not sure what brokenness potential there is, but I can't wait to find out!

[2]Merry, Rider of Rohan [Rohan]
Companion • Hobbit
Str: 5
Vit: 4
Res: 8
Valiant.
Maneuver: Exert Merry twice to exert a minion once for each [Rohan] companion you can spot.
B R 80

This guy is pretty nice. I always thought that the Siege of Gondor Pippin and Merry should have Knight and Valiant, respectively.
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December 07, 2009, 09:25:43 AM
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Re: Back to the Light - ROHAN
« Reply #147 on: December 07, 2009, 09:25:43 AM »
they're all good
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December 07, 2009, 09:48:37 AM
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Re: Back to the Light - ROHAN
« Reply #148 on: December 07, 2009, 09:48:37 AM »
Reprint Sword of the Mark. They set the precedent by creating a newer, stronger sword for Theoden. It would be non-sense for you to revert to a weaker one. Or, have a little fun and bump the twilight cost up [1] and give it extra text.
I can justify this. Firstly, I needed a common/uncommon possession for [Rohan], and making it rare like Sword of the Mark wouldn't have helped me. Secondly, all versions of Herugrim have just rotated out so I was already in favour of having a replacement. Thirdly, I very much liked the idea of juxtaposing a card with text like "Bearer must be Théoden" when there is a [Gandalf] Théoden in the set - just mixing up the cultures a little bit. Fourthly, with all these things in mind I looked back at some older expanded cards (which is what I normally do when there's a whole I need filled) and reminded myself of this card. It ticked all the boxes, so it was better to reprint it than make a new card.

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December 07, 2009, 09:51:17 AM
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Re: Back to the Light - ROHAN
« Reply #149 on: December 07, 2009, 09:51:17 AM »
Sword of the Mark has to be borne by Theoden as well. Reprint that card as an uncommon (see Nobody Tosses a Dwarf versus Nobody Tosses a Dwarf*).

Personally, I think it is in poor form to revert to a less powerful version of the same card because then more people are just going to want to play expanded.
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