Bilbo questions

[hrcho]

Huh, this topic kinda escalated 
A simple "yes" or "no" would've sufficed, but thank you all for participation

Conclusion: If I ever play against Smeagollum, I'll play NFFATROD in the regroup phase, otherwise no.

  to Smeagollum for sheer determination (or stubbornness if you will)

 

[Smeagollum]

Huh, this topic kinda escalated 
A simple "yes" or "no" would've sufficed, but thank you all for participation

Conclusion: If I ever play against Smeagollum, I'll play NFFATROD in the regroup phase, otherwise no.

  to Smeagollum for sheer determination (or stubbornness if you will)

 

I think what the others say should be the ruling. However I think that a real philosofer would make meat about their argument and this is a maze in the ruling...
But if you want to play it against me I've totaly no problem with it, because it takes to many cards to make it usefull and still then it's vulnerable. Also the example with the weathercondition is no real opt: To complicated and you need exact timing. If it works it's cool.

[legolas3333]

ket... you said almost the exact same thing as me only more eloquently...

[ket_the_jet]

But if you want to play it against me I've totaly no problem with it, because it takes to many cards to make it usefull and still then it's vulnerable.

Massive regroup healing is not vulnerable at all! All it takes is Nine-Fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom and a few copies of The Shire Countryside--it adds the burdens and removes them for mass healing of your Fellowship before a double move.

more eloquently...

I would say more frustratedly. But since I did steal a lot of what you said in an effort to close this post (that has only lived on with several more posts since mine).
-wtk

[Smeagollum]

But if you want to play it against me I've totaly no problem with it, because it takes to many cards to make it usefull and still then it's vulnerable.

Massive regroup healing is not vulnerable at all! All it takes is Nine-Fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom and a few copies of The Shire Countryside--it adds the burdens and removes them for mass healing of your Fellowship before a double move.

more eloquently...

I would say more frustratedly. But since I did steal a lot of what you said in an effort to close this post (that has only lived on with several more posts since mine).
-wtk

Condition removal maybe?

[ket_the_jet]

Well, now it depends on the format. If we are in open or expanded, we can use Scourging of the Shire to protect our precious conditions.

Otherwise, your argument that it takes a lot of cards to set up falls to the argument that yours takes a lot of cards to tear it down (outside of Saruman's Power which is one-and-done, how do you expect to discard several conditions).

It only takes one copy of The Shire Countryside to be a net gain...0 burdens for one heal. Sounds good to me.
-wtk

[Smeagollum]

Throw Yourself in Next Time
Morgul brute
Archery
Black Breath
Ravage the Defeated
Sauron Discard
Shelob/web

You want me to continue?

[ket_the_jet]

Listen, you are always going to be able to find counters to any strategy (albeit Morgul Brute doesn't do #$&*@! seeing as the burdens would be added and immediately removed in the regroup phase).

Why are you arguing that additional regoup healing would not be helpful?! That is arguing for the sake of arguing, and frankly it doesn't matter because it is illegal anyways.
-wtk

[Smeagollum]

I'm not arguing it... I'm just saying that there's enough to counter it, while you started to state that's it not vulnerable....

Also allthough it seems that I'm the only one willing to allow this action you would still have to pay for it.. that would mean that you would need to add a burden to play a tale. So if you want to remove the burden with nffatrod then you will still have a burden after it.. Gues Morgul Brute will still work

[ket_the_jet]

Add a burden to play a tale.

Exert a hobbit (Bilbo?) to remove a burden.

Heal accordingly with The Shire Countryside.

I am seeing a net zero burdens.

Also, how was Ravage the Defeated supposed to be at all helpful in this scenario? While having copies of the Shire Countryside in play is, itself, as vulnerable as having any other condition in play, the concept of massive regroup healing is something that the designers of the game wanted to avoid because of the ease of double moving with fully healed companions. With the exception of King Block site sixes, most cards that specify regroup healing only remove one or two wounds (a few exceptions, like the X-ed Steadfast Champion are there...I don't want you to list a bunch of those cards for me because I don't care).

The ruling remains that playing events out of their phase is illegal and while this example has limited (albeit nice) use, there are other examples which have the potential of being much more broken.
-wtk

[Kralik]

Although I agree that NFFatRoD can't be played in regroup, I don't see how it would make a difference anyway. Just play it during your last skirmish. The only wounds it couldn't heal would be the wounds that may have been dealt in that skirmish. But, with strategy and timing, this isn't a big deal.

[Smeagollum]

uhm Ket, you forget one thing you won't remove the burden which is added with the morgul Brute..


Shadow plays say An Otsea with a morgul Brute: You will need to take the burden, because you can't take wounds because of consorting with wizards (Most people will use cww).

Then your actions:

Add a burden to play a Shire tale.

Exert a hobbit (Bilbo?) to remove a burden.

Heal accordingly with The Shire Countryside.

Result there will still be a burden.

[ket_the_jet]

uhm Ket, you forget one thing you won't remove the burden which is added with the morgul Brute..

You have to spot a Nazgul to add a burden or wound the Ring-Bearer. Most people opt for the wound.

In the case of Consorting with Wizards, it does force the wound; however, you did not specify that Bilbo was the Ring-Bearer anyways. Most people play him as another companion with Sam, Great Elf Warrior and your choice of Frodo, Merry, and Pippin.
-wtk

[Smeagollum]

uhm Ket, you forget one thing you won't remove the burden which is added with the morgul Brute..

You have to spot a Nazgul to add a burden or wound the Ring-Bearer. Most people opt for the wound.

In the case of Consorting with Wizards, it does force the wound; however, you did not specify that Bilbo was the Ring-Bearer anyways. Most people play him as another companion with Sam, Great Elf Warrior and your choice of Frodo, Merry, and Pippin.
-wtk

Well you know what I mean. The action is only usefull in twillight denial Bilbo as rb.