House errata (Custom format)

[Cw0rk]

Why would you want to errata him? At first, I liked your idea. However now, I'm starting to think that you have errata-ed way too many cards.

I haven't amended The Mouth of Sauron in any way - I'm just thinking he would make a nice addition as he is. It'd be cool to have the option of fielding that character in the the games we play.

We find our errata to be perfectly manageable in size. In fact, as you'll see when I post it soon, I've added Consorting With Wizards to it!

Oh sorry, then I've misunderstood you. BTW, you don't need to make an errata for Consorting With Wizards, Bilbo RB is one of the weakest RB you can have (if not the weakest). Let him have his condition!

[Kev-La]

Oh sorry, then I've misunderstood you.

No problem

BTW, you don't need to make an errata for Consorting With Wizards, Bilbo RB is one of the weakest RB you can have (if not the weakest). Let him have his condition! =

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Another brainfart on my part! I've removed this card from the errata again. Please let me know if there's any others you'd vote to remove as I'm always up for shortening the list if possible

[Cw0rk]

I would remove the errata on Legolas, GL and the one on Weight of a Legacy as they are not X-Listed or causing crazy loops.

If you want to make an errata of Weight of a Legacy only because it is really bad, there are tons of other cards you would have to edit as well.

[Kev-La]

I would remove the errata on Legolas, GL and the one on Weight of a Legacy as they are not X-Listed or causing crazy loops.

If you want to make an errata of Weight of a Legacy only because it is really bad, there are tons of other cards you would have to edit as well.

Greenleaf was x-listed at the time of Mount Doom, wasn't he? Although, you're not the first person to point out this might not need an erratum.
We decided to select The Weight of a Legacy as a Rare that really needed some worth, but this does not mean that we "have to" introduce errata for any other particular cards.

[Kev-La]

If the general consensus on here is that we should use Legolas ~ Greenleaf with the text on the card, considering the game environment I have described (usually sets 1-10 with the odd later card thrown in, but with the ability to use the same errata for formats with a more limited range of cards), then perhaps we should remove the erratum for him.

I'm also particularly curious to know what people think of the new versions of Horn of Boromir (should he lose it if he's exhausted rather than if he's wounded twice? Should it make the ally +3? Should it have you spot 4 minions?) and We Must Go Warily (should it only exert once instead of twice, or any Gondor Man? Does the current text allow two different Gondor rangers to be exerted, each once?)

There's cookies for those who dare...

[Cw0rk]

For Horn of Boromir, I'd just replace the cost by 'Discard this possession...'.

[Kev-La]

For Horn of Boromir, I'd just replace the cost by 'Discard this possession...'.

A fair suggestion, I feel. The erratum for Horn of Boromir I originally posted on this thread was more in that vein. However, if possible, I'd rather have text that connects to the book (and films) somehow (the loss of the horn when Boromir is mortally wounded, rather than when he blows it).

EDIT: I've amended Horn of Boromir slightly; he now loses the horn if he is exhausted by minion archery fire, rather than if he is merely wounded twice at the same site. I re-read Bearer of Council and it seems that this would be fairer on the Free Peoples player using these two cards in conjunction. Any thoughts, please?

[ket_the_jet]

Keep in mind that We Must Go Warily already has an errata.
-wtk

[Gerontius]

1R282 The Weight of a Legacy (H)
To play, exert a Sauron Orc. Bearer must be a Gondor Man.
If this condition is played on Aragorn, you may discard a card borne by him (except Anduril).

Cool errata, even if it is unnecessary.

3R42 *Horn of Boromir (H)
Bearer must be Boromir.
Manoeuvre: Exert Boromir and spot an ally. Until the regroup phase, that ally participates in archery fire and skirmishes. Discard this possession at the start of the regroup phase.

How about, "If you can spot more minions than companions..." I think that fits how Boromir uses the horn in the books and movies.

3C108 Frying Pan (H)
Bearer must be Sam.
Skirmish: Exert Sam to wound an Orc he is skirmishing. Discard this possession at the start of the regroup phase.

I like that you made it Sam exclusive, but I don't like that you have to discard it. Maybe just make it "exert twice", and give it a strength bonus again.

8C1 Aggression (H)
Fellowship: Spot a Dwarf who is damage +X to draw X cards (limit 3). Discard this condition.

I would prefer it if you focused on the other effect of the card instead, which I think is more important.

10R11 *Galadriel ~ Lady Redeemed (H)
When Galadriel is in your starting fellowship, her twilight cost is -3.
Fellowship or Regroup: If the total number of Shadow conditions and Shadow possessions you can spot is 3 or more, discard an Elven event from hand to discard one such Shadow card (limit 1).

Good errata. I still think it's better if she can't be played in your starting fellowship though.

[Kev-La]

Keep in mind that We Must Go Warily already has an errata.
-wtk

Thanks Ket! I'd somehow missed that and decided it needed further changing. I've reverted it to the official erratum now. Have a munch on this:

[Kev-La]

1R282 The Weight of a Legacy
Cool errata, even if it is unnecessary.

Thanks!;D

3R42 *Horn of Boromir...
How about, "If you can spot more minions than companions..." I think that fits how Boromir uses the horn in the books and movies.

Hmm, I see what you mean but I'm not sure. I think spotting 4 minions (see the updated errata on page 2 of this thread) is better as it prevents the Horn being abused by Boromir ~ Bearer of Council. I feel sure this erratum needs some more analysis, though...

3C108 Frying Pan...
I like that you made it Sam exclusive, but I don't like that you have to discard it. Maybe just make it "exert twice", and give it a strength bonus again.

As I pointed out when I posted the original errata here, only the game text has been changed. Therefore, I never removed the strength bonus. However, I have revised the text slightly.

8C1 Aggression...
I would prefer it if you focused on the other effect of the card instead, which I think is more important.

Again, please see the updated errata I've already posted here. But thanks anyway, dude

10R11 *Galadriel ~ Lady Redeemed...
Good errata. I still think it's better if she can't be played in your starting fellowship though.

Thanks for all your feedback. Please let me know if the updated errata at all improves things in your eyes. Cheers!

[Thranduil]

1R282 The Weight of a Legacy (H)
To play, exert a Sauron Orc. Bearer must be a Gondor Man.
If this condition is played on Aragorn, you may discard a card borne by him (except Anduril).

Still seems a little useless. But it does keep the strength -1 right? How about "Bearer must be a companion (except the Ring-bearer). If this condition is played on a Man, you may discard a non-artifact card borne by him or her."

1R313 *Sting (H)
Bearer must be Frodo.
Fellowship or Regroup: Exert Frodo to reveal up to 4 cards at random from an opponent's hand. Remove 1 for each Orc revealed. Limit once per turn.

Is better. But I'm not sure the underlying problem has been solved (the problem not being power level but the fact that there's no reason you wouldn't play this card in any deck). The way to solve that would be to make it only applicable to a particular strategy, for example Baggins Heirloom.

3R67 *Palantir of Orthanc (H)
To play, spot an Isengard minion. Plays to your support area.
Shadow: If the Free Peoples player has 5 or more cards in hand, spot an Isengard minion and remove 1 to look at a card at random from that player's hand. Place that card on top of their draw deck. Limit once per site.

Seems fine.

3R68 *Saruman ~ Keeper of Isengard (H)
Saruman may not take wounds during the archery phase and may not be assigned to a skirmish.
Response: If an Isengard Uruk-hai is about to take a wound in a skirmish, exert Saruman to prevent that wound or to make that Uruk-hai fierce until the regroup phase.

Interesting! I like it.

3U106 *Bill the Pony (H)
Bearer must be Sam.
Fellowship: Exert Sam to make the Shadow number of the fellowship's next site -1. Limit once per turn. Discard Bill the Pony when at an underground site.

Seems good.

7C96 Gondorian Captain (H)
Knight.
Fellowship: While this companion is not at a sanctuary, spot a threat and discard a fortification to remove a threat.

Simple fix.

10U2 *Memories of Darkness (H)
Each time you lose initiative (except during the fellowship phase), you may play a Dwarven condition from hand. Its twilight cost is -1.

I would recommend for this one instead to return a condition from your discard pile to your hand.

10R11 *Galadriel ~ Lady Redeemed (H)
When Galadriel is in your starting fellowship, her twilight cost is -3.
Fellowship or Regroup: If the total number of Shadow conditions and Shadow possessions you can spot is 3 or more, discard an Elven event from hand to discard one such Shadow card (limit 1).

Again I don't think the main problem has been fixed. It's not that her ability was too powerful (which it was), it was the fact she could be in almost ANY deck. She can still be in any deck now.

Thranduil

[Witchkingx5]

Well, I want to add something to the LR strategy... it seems good that someone tries to find an erratum for that card, but it's just OP. But by just banning it, Decipher made a big mistake: Elven now don't have any possesion removal anymore. I'm trying to build some competitive Elven Decks at the moment (Besides Elven Hunters) and I get regularly crushed by Grond, Corsairs etc. so a Gandalf Splash actually is nearly a must in an Elven Deck. But a Gandalf Splash makes the deck bigger and less copnsistent, which is also a problem...

So how about fixing it like that:
10R11 *Galadriel, Lady Redeemed
If you can Spot 2 Elves, Galadriel's Twilight cost is -3.
Fellowship: Discard an Elven Event from hand to discard a Shadow possesion.

Simple as that. Make her only playable in Decks with lots of Elves and make her just discard possesions. Also make her ability fellowship only so that you can't take advantage of the extra Cycling she provides during regroup.

That's what I think. Still a good card (many errata just make her really bad and thus, unplayable) and solves the Possesion problem.

Those were my two cents. Amen.

[Thranduil]

The spotting requirement makes sense. But the other issue with LR was that she made any of your cards that happened to be useless in your hand into a powerful event. So personally, I think the discarding cards from hand was entirely the wrong avenue to go. I think one of the easiest fixes would be to change her ability to exert as well as discard.

[Witchkingx5]

Actually, there's alot of cards that turn useless cards in hand into powerful effects, (e.g. Don't look at them), so I actually don't think it's too bad. And it also can be included in the initiative strategy, but can also destroy it. I'm not sure about it yet, maybe just exerting could be the way to go?

But I'd definitely like to make LR an Elven card that discards possesions.