Mind and Body

[MuadDib85]

I have decided to try and foil a twilight nazgul deck. I want Mind and Body to be the 'suprise awesome factor' of the deck. The rest is up for negotiation, except please don't suggest any enduring nazgul.

I wanted to pair this with pipeweed, and found Gil-Estel's TS pipes fellowship that looks about the best I've seen, so have tried to convert it movie block and see how it goes.


Any thoughts?


Frodo and Ring
*The One Ring, Answer To All Riddles (4R1)
*Frodo, Reluctant Adventurer (2C102)

Sites
(1R)Isengard Ruined (7U331)
(2R)Rohirrim Camp (7U336)
(3R)Hall of the Kings (7U339)
(4R)Osgiliath Fallen (7U342)
(5R)City Gates (7U344)
(6R)Minas Tirith Third Circle (7U352)
(7R)Osgiliath Channel (8U120)
(8R)Morgulduin (7U358)
(9R)Dagorlad (7U360)

Fellowship (37)
1x *Gandalf's Staff (2R22)
1x *Mithril-coat (2R105)
1x *Faramir, Wizard's Pupil (7R91) Start
4x *Gandalf, The Grey Pilgrim (2P122)
1x *Merry, Friend to Sam (1R302) Start
1x *Smeagol, Slinker (5R29) Start
1x *The Tale of the Great Ring (10U116)
1x Birthday Present (10R104)
1x Escape (4R300)
4x The Shire Countryside (3R113)
1x Deep In Thought (3C30)
1x Nine-fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom (10C112)
1x Roll of Thunder (4U99)
2x *Aragorn's Pipe (1U91)
1x *Frodo's Pipe (3U107)
2x *Gandalf's Pipe (1U74)
1x *Sting, Baggins Heirloom (5R116)
2x *The Gaffer's Pipe (1U292)
1x Gondorian Sword (7U98)
1x Hobbit Sword (1C299)
4x Longbottom Leaf (1C300)
4x Old Toby (1C305)

Shadow (37)
4x Black Breath (1U207)
4x Blade Tip (1U209)
2x His Terrible Servants (2R77)
1x Mind and Body (7R183)
3x Morgul Gates (1R217)
1x *Bill Ferny, Swarthy Sneering Fellow (2R75)
4x *The Witch-king, Lord of the Nazgul (2R85)
1x *Ulaire Enquea, Lieutenant of Morgul (1U231)
3x *Ulaire Enquea, Ringwraith in Twilight (2U83)
1x *Ulaire Lemenya, Lieutenant of Morgul (1U232)
3x *Ulaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight (2R84)
1x *Ulaire Otsea, Lieutenant of Morgul (1U235)
1x *Ulaire Otsea, Ringwraith In Twilight (3U86)
2x Morgul Skulker (1U258)
1x *The Pale Blade (1R221)
4x Fell Beast (6U83)
1x Morgul Blade (1R216)

Deck modified 06/09/10.

[Kev-La]

...I think 36 cards is okay, it will be paired with Frodo Signet Pipes and Foul Clutches with Fell Beast will help cycle aswell...

Looking good, MuadDib. I've found Frodo Signet Pipeweed Free Peoples seems to work well with similar Shadows I've used, so I can say I think that's definitely worth a try.

[ket_the_jet]

MD, rather than answering this in your PM, I figured it might be beneficial to list pros and cons and throw out ideas out here.

Well, my first reaction is that you could do much better with the chosen Nazgul. In a deck of this sort, I think that you can keep the minion count relatively low count of Nazgul, maybe something like this:

3x the Witch-King, Lord of the Nazgul
3x Ulaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight
3x Ulaire Enquea, Ringwraith in Twilight
1x Ulaire Otsea, Ringwraith In Twilight
1x Ulaire Otsea, Lieutenant of Morgul
1x Ulaire Toldea, Wraith On Wings
3x Morgul Skulker
2x Grima, Wormtongue
1x Bill Ferny, Swarthy Sneering Fellow

That should be about perfect. You'll have at least one Nazgul every turn, you'll have a condition or two in hand, and you'll have an event or two in hand. While match-ups against Knights might not be fantastic, you can still get a copy of Black Breath or Blade Tip on a character before you are finished off with Gondor Bow and Fourth Level.

I think that Foul Clutches isn't actually really that necessary. I'd rather see All Veils Removed, or better yet, one more copy of Fell Beast and another copy of Morgul Gates.

I like the inclusion of Morgul Blade in this deck. I always thought that card had a really cool effect that wasn't often used (citing a specific card can be great).

Finally, I know I am the one that pumped up Mind and Body as a neat inclusion, but do you think that you need two? I think one copy is fine because it won't clog your hand and you won't discard it...and ruin the surprise.

I will respond to your Pipeweed deck you sent by PM because frankly, you're right...it would be terrible idea. I think the biggest problem with Pipeweed decks in general after Fellowship of the Ring block is Grima, Wormtongue or Grima, Chief Counselor and new multi-cultural hate options.
-wtk

[Imrahil]

Except that the conditions have placed all your wound prevention, which means that most wounding/archery decks are going to destroy you before you can transfer anything.  It's unbelievably frustrating to have Eowyn shooting down everything in the freeps first skirmish phase action, especially with a couple black breath on the board.

[ket_the_jet]

Toss in a copy or two of His Terrible Servants. Problem solved.
-wtk

[Witchkingx5]

Well, I'm not really sure as I don't really see the aim of your Deck. Those random Nazgul Thrown together (besides Nelya, RiT who is just awesome) won't have much success. I rather propse kets suggestion, as most of my Twilight Nazgul Decks are built simliar to this, besides Otsea and the Easterling, which I both find a bit crappy. Mind and body seems like a very solid pump first, but when you need it, you'll mostly have cards in your hand that you want to keep. I fou really want to kill someone, go with big bad nazzies, or build a more a twilight Nazzie Deck, that really resolves around RB wounding or Corrupting. His Terrible Servants also comes in my mind when I see this Deck. 4th Fell Beast of course.

[Imrahil]

Better.  They can stil Rohirrim Helm you constantly, but you might get the transfer.

[Cw0rk]

I just don't see the point of using Ulaire Attea, the Easterling. Other than that, looks fun.

[hrcho]

I really don't know why are you all so against The Easterling. I like it. There are better copies of Ulaire Attea, of course, but as far as twilight nazgul go, I think the Easterling is quite ok. Wound ally is not a bad thing, but it is also strong. The strongest after The Witch King and in this kind of deck I think Ulaire Attea, the Easterling is a far better choice than Ulaire Enquea, RiT which has the same cost, but that 1 strength less is just frustrating when you face Durin bearing an axe and a ring for example.

[ket_the_jet]

...So that you can wound Thrarin, Dwarven Speedbump?

In every way, Enquea is better, including vitality which is what matters most with Twilight Nazgul...

I would take Enquea on a Fell Beast with text you could use twice over Attea on a Fell Beast who has limited application in Movie Block.

If he discarded allies, he'd be great. But as he stands, he's not.
-wtk

[Imrahil]

Yes, i am being negative.  But that's probably because of negative experiences in my past using a similar deck.

And trust me, with a bouncing Merry you can see A LOT of Rohirrim Helms.  Probably close to the whole six thousand that went riding off from Dunharrow.

But I graciously admit that my meta may not be the best example of the game in general.

Even so, I strongly urge you to follow ket's suggestion and toss in His Terrible Servants.

[ket_the_jet]

It's funny because it is partially my fault His Terrible Servants are not in there. MD and I have been shooting random ideas via PM for the past few days, and I said, "Mind and Body is my second favorite unused card from RotK (Greatest Stronghold is my favorite)."

Anyways, this is kind of the bastard child of our talks about Mind and Body. With playtesting, I think this would be pretty great.

If 1 strength makes the difference, run Fell Beast, Morgul Blade, Nazgul Sword, Bill Ferny, Swarthy Sneering Fellow, All Veils Removed...

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-wtk

[hrcho]

I agree that with Fell Beast, Enquea beats the Easterling with Fell Beast, but without it, in a non-rb-wounding twilight nazgul deck, the Easterling is a far better choice. I actually had some very good experiences with the Easterling, thus my promotion of it (kill ally-trigger threats kind of experience).

[ket_the_jet]

So he's useful against Gondorian Merchant?

MD isn't adding threats anyways and Tower Assassin is better ally hate. I'd pick him over The Easterling 10 out of 10 times.
-wtk

[ket_the_jet]

Or Dunlending Warrior, who I think is so great.
-wtk