TLHH Virtual Set #1: Preliminary Discussion

[Thranduil]

Let's brainstorm some ideas for the first virtual set. Here's what I think we're looking for:

• A set of 9 cards.

• The cards we choose to make (V) versions of should be as many as possible of:
                  • Iconic
                  • Have great flavour
                  • Be so awfully bad that it never ever gets played
                  • Be from an early block (ideally FotR)
                  • Be rare (so that people feel more like they ought to have some play value)

• I would say we want a high number of characters because they're just cooler than any other kind of card.

• 4 FP, 4 SH, 1 Ring. The Ring should either be RR or Isildur's Bane. 2 characters for each, then 2 other cards.

• We should have 2 really awesome flagship characters to "sell" the set. These, in an ideal world, would be first sent around tournaments to get people excited about new cards.


So, speak! Let me know any of your own ideas, and what you think of mine so far.

Thran

[hrcho]

I didn't quite understand what you are suggesting. To create completely new cards or to recreate old ones? Or both maybe?

[Thranduil]

I didn't quite understand what you are suggesting. To create completely new cards or to recreate old ones? Or both maybe?

Sorry, I should have been clearer.

I believe strongly that we should start in the Virtual card business—printing off slips to go over the text boxes of old cards.

If these are received well, at a much later date, we could get to full dream cards.

Thran

[Kralik]

I'm not entirely sure about distributing a printed set yet, but... we'll see.

[Jerba]

What cultures are you looking to 'Virtualize' at his point? All original FOTR cultures then, right? No intention of bringing old cards into the new cultures?

I nominate:
The Weight of a Legacy
The Gaffer, Sam's Father (Companion!)
Alive and Unspoiled
Let Them Come (New Gimli)
Stand Against Darkness (New Elrond)
Change of Plans (New Boromir)
Lurtz's Battle Cry
Fool of a Took
Beauty is Fading

[Thranduil]

I'm not entirely sure about distributing a printed set yet, but... we'll see.

We could start them on GCCG, couldn't we?

[hrcho]

Ok. First we should decide which cards should we take for the Virtual Set #1
I've been going through some cards and these are which I think need changing:

Haldir, Elf of the Golden Wood
Elrond, Elven Lord
Legolas, Nimble Warrior
Gimli, Dwarf of Erebor
Let Them Come
Change of Plans

Alive and Unspoiled
Beauty is Fading
Despair
The Weight of a Legacy
The Dark Lord's Summons
Helpless
The Witch-King, Deathless Lord

[Kralik]

Helpless? Really?

[hrcho]

I would've used a copy of helpless in almost all my nazgul decks if it didn't say "Spot Frodo...".

[ket_the_jet]

Gimli, Dwarf of Erebor is awesome. So is Lurtz's Battle Cry and a lot of other mentioned cards.
-wtk

[Kralik]

I would've used a copy of helpless in almost all my nazgul decks if it didn't say "Spot Frodo...".

Tip: Fellowship block.

[Jerba]

I would've used a copy of helpless in almost all my nazgul decks if it didn't say "Spot Frodo...".

Tip: Fellowship block.

Its not that great. Helpless usually lives up to its name, I mean even if the shadow player gets it out Sam has already removed the burdens and is prepped to be a speed bump. It doesn't do much unless they intend to keep Sam around which doesn't happen much in my experience (especially in FOTR block). It would screw a Sam/Frodo deck over though. I'd rather have another Morgul Gates, Nertea, or Blade Tip in FOTR block.

[hrcho]

Tip: Fellowship block.

I know, I know... it's just frustrating to have so many cards that are good only in a certain block.

Its not that great. Helpless usually lives up to its name, I mean even if the shadow player gets it out Sam has already removed the burdens and is prepped to be a speed bump. It doesn't do much unless they intend to keep Sam around which doesn't happen much in my experience (especially in FOTR block). It would screw a Sam/Frodo deck over though. I'd rather have another Morgul Gates, Nertea, or Blade Tip in FOTR block.

I lost too many games because of Sam to agree with you. I lost one today because of him. I killed Frodo at site 9 with Return to Its Master just to have Sam take the Ring...

[Kralik]

Indeed, Sam is not just a one-time speedbump (always). There are some Nazgul decks that focus on heavy corruption -- having Sam repeatedly remove 3 burdens with Hobbit Hospital or having the Freeps kill off a 9-burdened Frodo is a problem.

hrcho, I don't see the point of changing/virtualizing cards that have their proper place in the right block.

[hrcho]

hrcho, I don't see the point of changing/virtualizing cards that have their proper place in the right block.

Aye, it probably doesn't belong on that list. Can't blame me for trying