Promise Keeping with threats

[Beyo]

Hey, could You help me clarify because on our local tournament i was forbidden for using card game text after companions dead with made me a little bit nervous.

So , situation like follow:
Gollum fight with some hobbit. There are 4 threats on FP player dead pile. hobbit got final wound and is killed  I do exertion from PK.
So what now? Does threat wounds also trigger PK game text?
IMO skirmish is considered resolveed after all wound assignments.

[hrcho]

Threat wounds also trigger Promise Keeping if a companion was killed by Gollum or Shelob. Threat wounds are considered as a part of the skirmish phase.

[Tbiesty]

hrcho is correct.

[Gil-Estel]

Ket, come with your redirection to the various topics where this is covered YalaaT is also fun in this scenario.

[ket_the_jet]

Ket, come with your redirection to the various topics where this is covered YalaaT is also fun in this scenario.

Sorry Heije, I was out of town for the weekend. Anyways, you could review the ruling here or here.

Don't forget about the "Search" option.
-wtk

[erratadd]

Hello there :]
Actually since Promise Keeping says "..during a skirmish involving a minion.." this means that when you kill a companion, you can assign the treat wounds, but only the ones that you assign to a companion skirmishing Shelob will trigger Promise Keeping.
Because that would be the only companion that fills the requirement of being in a skirmish involving a minion.
(That is until we create (Attacker +1) minions - ones that need to be blocked by two companions )

[Tbiesty]

Because it says "during a skirmish", any companion that takes a wound during the skirmish (not just the one in the skirmish) triggers Promise Keeping.

[erratadd]

Or maybe what you are saying is that the skirmish between Gollum and the companion hasn't still ended and each wound (no matter where you assign it) still counts as one done in the skirmish...
But this would be too broken...

EDIT: Tbiesty, yes now I see.. Ninja Gollum was broken enough even without me realising this. Wow :]

EDIT 2: Sorry for posting wrong info. Was pretty sure I was right :]

[Tbiesty]

Or maybe what you are saying is that the skirmish between Gollum and the companion hasn't still ended and each wound (no matter where you assign it) still counts as one done in the skirmish...
But this would be too broken...

It is correct that the skirmish has not yet ended at that point, so they do count.  And yes, it is very powerful.

[hrcho]

It's quite powerful, yes, but not broken.
It's not broken because there is a very easy way to prevent it. Condition discard. For example, Having Elrond, HtGG and Vilya practically destroys Ninja Gollum. Not to mention if you have any sort of wound prevention... Armor, Gimli's Helm, Naith Warband and Huorn saved me more than once from Ninja Gollum.

It's heavily matchup dependent. Some decks Ninja Golum will destroy with ease, while others he won't be able to touch, let alone defeat.

[Gil-Estel]

It is indeed powerful, by all the reasons mentioned by Hrcho. I don't agree that is easy to prevent. With knowledge all decks are easy to prevent. If I know my opponent is playing Elves with Galadriel as Ringbearer, I don't care whether they have Gil-Galad or broken Cirdan, I just pack Terrible as the Dawn 4x. Most decks don't have massive condition discard, except Gandalf. Elves do have a lot, but maybe they don't pack everything. It is the type of deck you know you will lose to when you know your deck and see 1 Promise Keeping....Always use protection people!

[nwanderer]

Ok, but if threats are part of the skirmish does that mean that you cannot put more than 1 threat wound (if we presume that he took 0 wounds from skirmishes) on a companion, bearing Armor?

[hrcho]

That is correct. Only one threat can be added as a wound on a companion bearing Armor, or on Gimli bearing Gimli's Helm or on Naith Warband bearing Naith Longbow. The rest of the threats have to be assigned to someone else.