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January 29, 2012, 06:36:45 PM
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« Reply #405 on: January 29, 2012, 06:36:45 PM »
I read it exactly as it is printed on the card. And the card's actual text is "Until the regroup phase, each minion skirmishing a [Rohan] companion loses fierce and cannot gain fierce."
well if you read it exactly as it is on the card, then if an effect doesn't say when it ends, it ends at the end of the phase it occurred. so in this case, if a minion skirmishes a rohan companion, it loses fierce keyword and cannot gain it again... until the end of that skirmish. correct?
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January 29, 2012, 06:39:17 PM
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« Reply #406 on: January 29, 2012, 06:39:17 PM »
It says it lasts until the regroup phase.
All cards do what they say, no more, no less.

January 29, 2012, 06:42:42 PM
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« Reply #407 on: January 29, 2012, 06:42:42 PM »
It says it lasts until the regroup phase.
so, the "until the regroup phase" clause is to determine for how long the minion loses fierce keyword, or for how long the site trigger affects play? Im pretty sure its not for both.
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January 29, 2012, 06:48:13 PM
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« Reply #408 on: January 29, 2012, 06:48:13 PM »
It is for both. As I have often said, all cards do what they say.
All cards do what they say, no more, no less.

January 29, 2012, 07:05:02 PM
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« Reply #409 on: January 29, 2012, 07:05:02 PM »
Maybe you are right. When I worked on the card I noticed it's very oddly template. There is not a single card worded similarly. It would be much more clear if it read:
Until the regroup phase, if a minion skirmishes a [Rohan] companion, that minions loses fierce and cannot gain it until the regroup phase.
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January 29, 2012, 07:19:01 PM
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« Reply #410 on: January 29, 2012, 07:19:01 PM »
I have a special deal: "Until tomorrow, if you play a league game, you will receive a foil playset of every expansion."

So if someone does play, he will get the playset, but will have to give it back the following day, correct?
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January 29, 2012, 08:36:32 PM
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« Reply #411 on: January 29, 2012, 08:36:32 PM »
"Until the regroup phase, each minion skirmishing a  companion loses fierce and cannot gain fierce."

The grammatical clue here is the comma.  It's very subtle, but that's what makes it clear that the "until" clause affects everything after.  The difference is

Until Phase X, Y happens and Z happens

vs

Y happens until phase X, and Z happens.

These are both clear.  What would be ambiguous would be

Y and Z until phase X.

I have a special deal: "Until tomorrow, if you play a league game, you will receive a foil playset of every expansion."

So if someone does play, he will get the playset, but will have to give it back the following day, correct?
Nope.  The difference is that the card text was describing simple effects (being fierce, ability to be fierce) whereas your sentence describes a conditional effects (if you do X, Y happens).  Normally "until" just describes how long an effect lasts.  In your sentence, you put "until" with the if, not the effect.  Thus, you described how long the if-then sequence would apply for, not how long the EFFECT of the if-then sequence would apply for.

The sentence that would get your meaning would be:
"If you play a league game, you will have access to a foil playset of every expansion until tomorrow."


EDIT: Looking at Harrowdale, it seems unclear what the intent of the card's writers was... I blame the incredibly sloppy way Decipher chose to handle site text.
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January 29, 2012, 08:39:58 PM
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« Reply #412 on: January 29, 2012, 08:39:58 PM »
Long Slow Wrath does not place an exertion on the unbound hobbit as it should.

January 29, 2012, 09:16:28 PM
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« Reply #413 on: January 29, 2012, 09:16:28 PM »
Long Slow Wrath does not place an exertion on the unbound hobbit as it should.
Fixed (after restart).
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January 31, 2012, 01:12:29 AM
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« Reply #414 on: January 31, 2012, 01:12:29 AM »
i don't know if the system has restarted yet. but if it has: long slow wrath still doesn't exert the unbound hobbit.

January 31, 2012, 02:44:12 AM
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« Reply #415 on: January 31, 2012, 02:44:12 AM »
i don't know if the system has restarted yet. but if it has: long slow wrath still doesn't exert the unbound hobbit.
As explained in the first post of this thread:
"If a bug is marked as fixed, it may take some time to get to live server, you can check if it was already fixed by checking the "Change Log" tab in game and searching for the card name."

And no, it was not restarted yet.
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January 31, 2012, 09:38:53 AM
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« Reply #416 on: January 31, 2012, 09:38:53 AM »
Hi MarcinS..another bug posted -  Sword of Minas Morgul dont work ... here is replay: Lemenya with sword vs. Boromir http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Khamul$yjm7fp8xj6kdivwl

January 31, 2012, 09:54:26 AM
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« Reply #417 on: January 31, 2012, 09:54:26 AM »
Hi MarcinS..another bug posted -  Sword of Minas Morgul dont work ... here is replay: Lemenya with sword vs. Boromir http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Khamul$yjm7fp8xj6kdivwl
Fixed (after restart): - "Sword of Minas Morgul" now correctly discards the possession born by a character skirmishing the Nazgul.
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January 31, 2012, 10:32:53 AM
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« Reply #418 on: January 31, 2012, 10:32:53 AM »
Thanks...you are faster than "idea" :-D

January 31, 2012, 01:22:50 PM
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« Reply #419 on: January 31, 2012, 01:22:50 PM »
Gorgoroth Pillager when he is stacked on a site he applies fierce to opponent besiegers too.I dont know is this intended to be.