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[JakeA]

Gollum, Dark as Darkness was unable to his his first Shadow ability after being played with Captured by the Ring.  Happened to my opponent twice in this game: http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=JakeA$v87l5givdz85m69r

[MarcinS]

Gorgoroth Pillager when he is stacked on a site he applies fierce to opponent besiegers too.I dont know is this intended to be.

I think there was a discussion about this kind of effect in this thread already, and the result was "there is nothing in the rules preventing it", so that's how it works for now.

[MarcinS]

Gollum, Dark as Darkness was unable to his his first Shadow ability after being played with Captured by the Ring.  Happened to my opponent twice in this game: http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=JakeA$v87l5givdz85m69r

In his replay, you can clearly see on site 2, that he was able to use (click) on the Gollum in shadow phase.

I need more details saying what EXACTLY didn't work.

In case of this card, where you have two possible effects, when you click on it in Shadow phase (provided there is more than 1 effect playable), a small menu will popup, where you pressed the mouse, to allow you to choose, which ability you want to use.

His replay:
http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=manowar$bzvnnlnsuojl0cnq

[JakeA]

Alrighty.  He said he couldn't so I figured I'd post it since he hadn't.

Glad to hear that it's working.  Thanks for the great site.

[tanzhamster]

Gorgoroth Pillager when he is stacked on a site he applies fierce to opponent besiegers too.I dont know is this intended to be.

I think there was a discussion about this kind of effect in this thread already, and the result was "there is nothing in the rules preventing it", so that's how it works for now.

I think that it can't effect the shadow site of your opponent, because your own shadow cards aren't in play during your fellowship turn. I mean cards like Drawn to its power or something would effekt your own freeps as well than.

[bibfortuna25]

Gorgoroth Pillager when he is stacked on a site he applies fierce to opponent besiegers too.I dont know is this intended to be.

I think there was a discussion about this kind of effect in this thread already, and the result was "there is nothing in the rules preventing it", so that's how it works for now.

Gorgoroth Pillager when he is stacked on a site he applies fierce to opponent besiegers too.I dont know is this intended to be.

I think there was a discussion about this kind of effect in this thread already, and the result was "there is nothing in the rules preventing it", so that's how it works for now.

I think that it can't effect the shadow site of your opponent, because your own shadow cards aren't in play during your fellowship turn. I mean cards like Drawn to its power or something would effekt your own freeps as well than.

This is correct.

[MarcinS]

I think that it can't effect the shadow site of your opponent, because your own shadow cards aren't in play during your fellowship turn. I mean cards like Drawn to its power or something would effekt your own freeps as well than.

If, as you say, your shadow cards are "not in play" during your turn, then most likely also your FP cards are "not in play" during your opponent's turn.

If so, then you would not be able to use the second ability of the Library of Orthanc, as you'd never have "in play" FP card stacked on it.

Also Final Account would not work, as you wouldn't be able to return a Shadow card to your hand during your turn. Same for We Shall Meet Again Soon and many other cards.

The only thing in rules you can find is that your shadow cards are not "active" on your FP turn. But the rules also say, that stacked cards are NEVER "active", so I don't think that argument can be used here.

[bibfortuna25]

The fact of the matter is, if YOUR Gorgoroth Pillager is stacked on a site you control, he only makes YOUR besiegers fierce.

An inactive card has no stats or game text and doesn't actively do anything, but it still exists as a card (otherwise you wouldn't be able to discard Shadow cards from your hand with, say, Elven Sword).

Gorgoroth Pillager works when stacked because he explicitly says he does so while stacked. He still doesn't do anything during your own Free Peoples turn.

[MarcinS]

The fact of the matter is, if YOUR Gorgoroth Pillager is stacked on a site you control, he only makes YOUR besiegers fierce.

An inactive card has no stats or game text and doesn't actively do anything, but it still exists as a card (otherwise you wouldn't be able to discard Shadow cards from your hand with, say, Elven Sword).

Gorgoroth Pillager works when stacked because he explicitly says he does so while stacked. He still doesn't do anything during your own Free Peoples turn.

NOWHERE in the rules nor on the cards you will find that the Gorgoroth Pillager, when stacked on your site, does not add the Fierce keyword to your oppontent's minions during your turn. Yes, I know it doesn't make sense, if it did, but my point is - you could argue both ways.

I did change it now, though I'm still not 100% convinced, that's how it's supposed to work (strictly following the rules):
- Stacked cards and cards in discard affect game ONLY when their side (Shadow/FP) matches their owner's current role.

[MarcinS]

bibfortuna25:

On the Harrowdale, do you want me to make it work in the following way:

First situation:
Player A moves (1st move during turn) to Harrowdale, from some other site. Player B plays a Fierce minion. Player A assigns the minion to Man. As soon as the skirmish starts, that minion loses the Fierce keyword and cannot gain it again, until the regroup phase. After skimish finishes (and minion is alive), there is no fierce assignment phase, as the minion is not fierce. Player A chooses to move again (2nd time in turn) from Harrowdale to some other site. Player B plays no minions. Player A assigns the only minion (played on previous site) to Man, that minion is Fierce and does not lose Fierce keyword, and after skirmish finishes, the minion can be assigned again during fierce assignment phase.

Second situation:
Player A moves (1st move during turn) to Harrowdale, from some other site. Player B plays a Fierce minion. Player A assigns the minion to Man. As soon as the skirmish starts, that minion loses the Fierce keyword and cannot gain it again, until the regroup phase. After skimish finishes (and minion is alive), there is no fierce assignment phase, as the minion is not fierce. Player A chooses to stay. On the following turn (after Player B plays his turn), Player A moves (1st move during turn) from Harrowdale to some other site. Player B plays a Fierce minion.Player A assigns the minion to Man. As soon as the skirmish starts, that minion loses the Fierce keyword and cannot gain it again, until the regroup phase. After skimish finishes (and minion is alive), there is no fierce assignment phase, as the minion is not fierce.

Correct in both cases?

[bibfortuna25]

Both of those seem correct to me. Hopefully we can get some other opinions soon, but from my understanding of the rules, that should be how it works.

[Alkarin]

Hi Marcin, another bug, Iron Fist of the Orc 6U64, the card say to spot 3 cards stacked to discart a free people possession, in the Regroup Phase, for some reason, allow you to do in the shadow phase, not in regroup.

[tanzhamster]

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I drew Horn of Helm on site 2 and didn't played it. I was able to play it in maneuver, archery, assignment, skrimish an even in regroup than.
Last time i played it in fellowship and could use it in all those phases too, but forgot to report it. Now i can't find the gamelink for it...

[Elessar's Socks]

On the subject of sites, there was a thread earlier about Mount Doom's text being in effect even if no fellowship has been there (through site replacement). Is this correct / something that has been implemented?

[MarcinS]

On the subject of sites, there was a thread earlier about Mount Doom's text being in effect even if no fellowship has been there (through site replacement). Is this correct / something that has been implemented?

Site is not in the game yet. But I'll do it in the following way. The first time the site becomes active (Fellowship enters it), it will add an effect to the game, that will prevent anyway from replacing the sites in the region it was in, when the FP entered the site.

So if someone plays the site, and noone enters it, sites WILL be replacable until someone actually enters and "activates" the text of the site.