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April 05, 2012, 05:49:23 PM
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« Reply #735 on: April 05, 2012, 05:49:23 PM »
All right, I think I've figured out exactly why No Refuge and Troop Tower don't work when another player has a minion stacked.

When you are a Shadow player, your own Free Peoples cards don't even exist (and vice versa) as far as the game is concerned except when they are referred to as "cards," "Shadow cards" or "Free Peoples cards."

So when your fellowship is at Pelennor Flat, you can discard Shadow cards from your hand, because the site simply says "cards." Likewise, Forearmed can reveal a Shadow card from the top of your deck and reduce a minion's strength based on its twilight cost.

Using this logic, it is clear that No Refuge and Troop Tower only work when that card's owner has minions stacked. Because No Refuge cannot spot them as [Dunland] minions stacked on a site; they are only "cards" stacked on a site.
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April 05, 2012, 06:07:41 PM
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« Reply #736 on: April 05, 2012, 06:07:41 PM »
Elegant.  There should be an entry in the unofficial rulebook as such.
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April 06, 2012, 01:07:33 AM
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« Reply #737 on: April 06, 2012, 01:07:33 AM »
even if sites are always active, the card stacked on them should not.
Stacked cards are NEVER active (from rulebook).
basically your shadow cards phase out when it's your fellowship turn
Again, not true - due to cards like Library of Orthanc and similar.
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April 06, 2012, 01:12:16 AM
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« Reply #738 on: April 06, 2012, 01:12:16 AM »
That's why I have offered my solution. It's elegant, it works, and it seems to be in line with what Decipher actually intended with the active/inactive rules.
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April 06, 2012, 01:23:50 AM
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« Reply #739 on: April 06, 2012, 01:23:50 AM »
Ok, I've made a change to the server (after restart):
- Cards stacked on sites do not count as their type, while their owner is not of correct side.
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April 06, 2012, 02:37:51 AM
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« Reply #740 on: April 06, 2012, 02:37:51 AM »
That's why I have offered my solution. It's elegant, it works, and it seems to be in line with what Decipher actually intended with the active/inactive rules.
There is a problem with this rule though... Smeagol, Slippery Sneak - when you are an FP player, you won't be able to find [gollum] minion in your discard...

I would also take a look at other gollum cards, which might refer to cross-side cards during wrong turn.
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April 06, 2012, 05:11:14 AM
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« Reply #741 on: April 06, 2012, 05:11:14 AM »
Elegant.  There should be an entry in the unofficial rulebook as such.
I'll add a clarification once this discussion is complete.
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April 06, 2012, 11:02:59 AM
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« Reply #742 on: April 06, 2012, 11:02:59 AM »
I have just joined the Towers Sealed League that starts tomorrow (to open packs and build a deck, as I have time for it now). I got the "New items - Towers Sealed" window but it was empty. I was charged 50G (and the league page says I'm its member), but in deck builder the collection dropdown lists only "All cards" and "My cards" collections. Refresh (both on game hall and deck builder) didn't help. Will the cards appear at midnight, or did something go wrong?

April 06, 2012, 11:04:13 AM
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« Reply #743 on: April 06, 2012, 11:04:13 AM »
Yes. they will appear after midnight.
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April 06, 2012, 10:39:54 PM
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« Reply #744 on: April 06, 2012, 10:39:54 PM »
East Wall of Rohan allows the FP to play multiple hunter companions from their deck. It should only allow them to do that once.
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April 07, 2012, 01:43:39 AM
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« Reply #745 on: April 07, 2012, 01:43:39 AM »
East Wall of Rohan allows the FP to play multiple hunter companions from their deck. It should only allow them to do that once.
Fixed (after restart):
- "East Wall of Rohan" can be activated once only.
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April 07, 2012, 08:11:01 AM
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« Reply #746 on: April 07, 2012, 08:11:01 AM »
for this game:
http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Rhyme$1dzgocf3rm0mf266
when i use •Pippin, Woolly-footed Rascal and/or •Merry, Learned Guide 's ability to discard during skirmish,  the results are the minion won the skirmish... should it be canceled instead?


April 07, 2012, 08:27:30 AM
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« Reply #747 on: April 07, 2012, 08:27:30 AM »
for this game:
http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Rhyme$1dzgocf3rm0mf266
when i use •Pippin, Woolly-footed Rascal and/or •Merry, Learned Guide 's ability to discard during skirmish,  the results are the minion won the skirmish... should it be canceled instead?
From Comprehensive Rules:
"If all characters of one side are removed during a skirmish before strength has been totaled, the skirmish resolves and the other side wins."
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April 07, 2012, 08:58:13 AM
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« Reply #748 on: April 07, 2012, 08:58:13 AM »
Which is why you should (if you can) discard Merry and Pippin during some other skirmish, so that their skirmish doesn't even start (then minions involved in it don't count as winning a skirmish).

April 07, 2012, 11:02:37 AM
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« Reply #749 on: April 07, 2012, 11:02:37 AM »
oooh.. i get it...