Bad Gemp Players' List

[macheteman]

macheteman plays Blade Tip from hand
macheteman plays •The Witch-king, Lord of the Nazgul from hand
macheteman removes 3 from twilight pool
macheteman plays Morgul Blade from hand on •The Witch-king, Lord of the Nazgul
macheteman removes 1 from twilight pool
Archery fire: fellowship - 0, minion - 0
System: BluWizards left the room
BluWizards lost due to: Player decision timed-out
macheteman is the winner due to: Last remaining player in game

[Perrin]

Gemp Name: Perrin
Complaint against: morgmaster
Game link: http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?gameId=48

Rage quitting is so annoying. It's so rude, and I'm so disappointed that someone would feel good about making you wait for 10 minutes, just to fulfill some childish sense of "revenge".

[ket_the_jet]

Since the majority of the people who use the Internet are English speakers, it is understandable to want your opponents to speak English rather than gibberish. It's the primary language of the modern world.

This is a completely ethnocentric and ignorant view of the world.

Could not agree more.
-wtk

[FM]

nsmcny: wow nice aragorn
nsmcny: but play please
nsmcny: ....dude
nsmcny: pass
nsmcny: don't sleep please
Eomer9191: spasr
Eomer9191: halts maul alter
nsmcny: could you write in english ?
nsmcny: i don't understand you:(
Eomer9191: halt deine fresse
nsmcny: play man...
nsmcny: i havent time

Eomer9191 was wrong to say what he did, but at the same time, it is rude and poor sportsmanship to rush your opponent to play. Let him play at his own pace, that's what the clock is there for. If you win because you rushed your opponent into making a mistake, that's a tainted victory IMO.

It's also a bit rude asking someone to speak English. There are a lot of non-english-speakers on gemp, and gemp was itself invented in a country for which english is not the first language.

It is also rude to speak a language your opponent does not understand, especially when they are directing their comments at you. Now if you are addressing your comments to a 3rd party (which could also be considered rude under certain circumstances) then sure, speak a different language, but in a chat based setting it is considered polite to speak a language all parties understand. However, this is not a civility thread and mods may delete this post if they feel it is unneeded here.

You have absolutely no way to ascertain the other player does, in fact, speak english. Gemp is designed to follow normal game rules, and cards were released under a dozen of different languages, making it possible for someone from those countries to play on Gemp with visual recognition alone (or maybe they browse another forum in their language that has the cards translated, and search for collector's info in case they can't remember a specific one), so in my opinion this is not good enough to qualify someone as a Bad Player.

I won't even comment on bibfortuna's reply, which is completely ludicrous (and would require that all Gemp playes wrote, in fact, in mandarim when playing there if it was taken into consideration).

The game clock exists for a reason, and if YOU don't have the time to finish your match, than I'm very sorry, but you are the one that have to concede, and try to manage time better before starting an online, timed match.

I know it sucks, I've had to disconnect during unfortunate times as well, but it's the way it is.

[bibfortuna25]

The fact that you're all writing this in English helps support my views. The fact of the matter is, the majority of the civilized world speaks English. The cards here on the wiki are printed in English. The instructions for how Gemp works are written in English. I know we have a bunch of Czech players on here, as well as from other non-English countries, but they still have to have some basic understanding of the English language in order to play the game.

[bibfortuna25]

All languages are gibberish to those who don't understand them.

[FM]

Now that is a point I can get behind of. We might not say it outloud, but yes, we do believe every form of speech we can't understand to be gibberish. Still doesn't justify the other affirmatives, like saying "most of the civilized world speaks English", which is downright not true, since, again, most of the civilized world (meaning not tribal natives that don't have any contact with technology at all - and good luck finding some that fit this nowadays, thought there still are), in fact, speaks mandarim.

The guy who was speaking in tongues there (don't recognize the language, so won't even try to guess it so as to not offend anyone), as it seems, said some offensive things, and that is WRONG no matter in WHAT language he said it. On the other hand, the player who posted the complaint was the one who ticked him off, by trying to force him to "play faster" because HE didn't have time to finish the match otherwise, so until FURTHER evidence of this behavior from the foul-mouthed player is presented, I'd be against punishing him for this episode alone.

And yes, I'm completely against every single "players should write in english" comment.

The fact that I'm posting this in English is not proof that everyone can, and in no way limits someone from playing on Gemp (like I said, he can be taught by a player who DOES, in fact, speak English, and play on visual recognition alone from them on, #$&*@!, I could probably still name every card and effect from Fellowship Block with just a glimpse at the picture, and would probably get 90% (or more) correct.

So THIS part, the "everyone should write in English while playing on Gemp" argument, I can't back. And I'm completely against it. Can you imagine if I was playing against, say, Pepin the Breve, WHY ON EARTH should we be writing in anything OTHER than portuguese? So lookers could understand? Makes no sense at all. And yes, this is an extrapolation, but if both him and me CAN play on Gemp, and CAN understand the cards, that doesn't mean we are confortable writing in English, so since Gemp does not require instructions to be given, like GCCG does, I see no reason why anyone should be forced to write in a language they don't want to.

PS: Of course, there's always the alternative for the complaining player, like, say, learning a few more languages instead of just one?

[Kralik]

That reminds me...

Q: What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
A: Bilingual.

Q: And how about three languages?
A: Trilingual!

Q: And what about someone who only speaks one language?
A: ... American.

[jdizzy001]

I agree with FM, the PLAYERS should feel entitled to use a common language (english, spanish, mandarin, tengwar) so they can understand one another. That is the only idea I was supporting with my post. Onlookers don't need to understand the language of "your game."  I do argue that if one player is writing in one language and the second player is writing in a second language it would be in their best interest to find common ground. However, that isn't requisite to play GEMP so it is kind of a moot point. I do not condone however, the purposeful use of insults directed at your opponent in any language.

[bibfortuna25]

Technically, Tengwar isn't a language; it's an alphabet. The Tengwar cards that Decipher printed are still in the English language, but they just have the Tengwar letters substituted for the English ones.

Now, if you want to talk to me about Sindarin or Quenya...

[argyles]

it depends to who the player is addressing to . if i am playing with my friend and we are greek , believe me no matter how many spectators are in the game i wont care and if i want to address to him i would speak greek .
if a player is addressing to another player and he speaks in a language that the second player cannot understand , well that is just immature from the first player anyway .

[bibfortuna25]

Don't play with jonlbs. He left the game at site 9 when I was about to easily survive, saying "Eat **** and die."

[sgtdraino]

Rage quitting is so annoying. It's so rude, and I'm so disappointed that someone would feel good about making you wait for 10 minutes, just to fulfill some childish sense of "revenge".

Just a reminder: You don't have to wait ten minutes anymore. Just start a new game, and leave the old game up to give you the timed win.

[bibfortuna25]

Not when playing on an iPad. It's a lot more difficult to switch between game windows there.

[Kralik]

A thought on bad players:

Can we have an automatic complaint system programmed in to Gemp? Next to the "Concede" and "Request Cancel" buttons there could be a Complaint button. Users could check one of a few options, such as "extremely rude" or "poor loser" or "rage quit." Somewhere in the Gemp DB the complaint could be filed (along with the game link) and after X number of complaints some action is taken. Measures could be taken to make sure the system isn't abused (i.e. are multiple people complaining against one bad player?) and that there is an appeal process.

I've also thought that instead of banning, you could implement other consequences such as...
--For rude players: mute (nobody can hear the player talking but they still see their own messages)
--For rage quitters: low time-out value (eg. 2 minutes instead of 10 minutes)