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January 26, 2013, 06:07:11 PM
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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2013, 06:07:11 PM »
The large number of errataed cards is not sitting well with some of us. Any response to that issue?
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January 26, 2013, 10:18:36 PM
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2013, 10:18:36 PM »
And is there any response in playtesting outside your group?

January 31, 2013, 01:29:03 PM
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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2013, 01:29:03 PM »
I'm baffled this is still being tried. This makes it... what? The 9th attempt? 12th? 20th, maybe?
I say enjoy the dead game for what it always was, the good and the bad, and be happy we can still maintain a Community for a dead game after so long (and I think it's even growing, with Gemp!). For the one-millionth time: players who do not have legal authority from Decipher to do it should not be tinkering with the cards/rules in official formats.
Having a House Rules one, on the other hand, is ok, as it makes no matter, people in your House will play with your House Rules; if you want to fund a championship with only the people in your House, they'll abide by the House Rules; and whenever a tournament wans to be held for trying to get the biggest number of people playing it, it'll reverse to official formats and official rules. Having the house rules is nice, calling it "fixed X format" is beating a dead horse, because it's not (only an official source can "fix format X").
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January 31, 2013, 03:00:21 PM
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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2013, 03:00:21 PM »
Given that Decipher was practically dead when they issued last couple of sets and that those sets undertook almost no playtesting (with Q&A people in all likelihood being laid off), there is nothing wrong in players trying to balance the game and prolong its lifespan.

By the way, there is no 'official source' any more (indeed, there hasn't been one for years). If MarcinS, who owns the Gemp server, decides to introduce any new format and call it 'fixed X format', he can, and the players would judge (play it or not) the format by its merit.

February 01, 2013, 05:48:03 AM
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« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2013, 05:48:03 AM »
Which is what I said, House Rules. Some would adhere to it, others would just shun it. If he forced the change, though, like changing the filters for Movie Block to ban Galadriel, LR (which is not a card released in the last sets, btw...), for instance, players that didn't like the change would reverse back to GCCG and bam, and just like that, we now have two places where people play online again. It might seem nice, but since it IS a dead game, stuff like that fragments the community (for instance, if I decided to play on GCCG because of it having the official formats, I wouldn't keep playing in two places, I'd just stick with one).

As for "there's nothing wrong with trying to balance the game", yes, there is, it is actually, by all meanings known, "wrong", as in "illegal", as in "they don't have the authority to do so". They can do it, but not force the change as "This is what Official Format X looks like now", but rather "Hey, we're having a Movie Block tournament where LR is banned/changed, if anyone wants to join".

As for not having an Official source anymore, there's a difference between Official Sources not caring/not acting, and not existing. If you want to prove me wrong, I say get a company to release booster packs for a new LotR TCG Expansion. Use the pictures, the templates, the mechanics, etc. Sell it on the market, and see what happens when legal action is taken (and rest asured, if you do make any kind of profit - heck, even if you don't, depending on their legal department -, it will be taken).

I just want to explain that my problem is not with having House Rules. My problem is all the threads that read "Hey, me and my friends are fixing format X, or card Y, and this is where we're at. Jump in! Let's change the game and make the formats better!", while they SHOULD read "Hey, me and my friends don't like X, Y or Z about the game, so we're making a playgroup that plays differently; if you want to try some games like that, give us a shout.".

The only way I'd actually endorse forcing a Format change by the Community, on Gemp, would be if every single person in the world that finds their way to either Gemp and/or here agreed to make change X. All of them. Not one exception. If one person said "but I like to play LR in Movie Block!", then it's over, official format keeps LR. Because THIS would actually asure we're changing stuff to make the game better to every single individual playing it, not catering to the likes and dislikes of whatever group of people doesn't like X, Y or Z.

Until someone actually tries to pull this off, I take it as my job to keep pointing out they can't do what they are doing, lest people that play and enjoy the game get pissed off when some wackadoodle change is implemented, like "Shadow players can't add burdens anymore", because a group of individuals decided they didn't like to play against Corruption because it messes up the ARB decks, and since no one spoke against it, it "passed".
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February 01, 2013, 12:03:28 PM
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« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2013, 12:03:28 PM »
An interesting idea. But that's more of a different game (with different rules about site path, etc.) than just a different format.

Site path rules are the same. The idea is to simply simulate starting a game that is already "in progress" and about 2/3 over.

If the reduced site path is blowing your mind, an alternative would be for players to take turns playing sites 1-6, at which point they start at site 6. Player choosing to go first would play the even-numbered sites. This would allow cards that spot/count types of sites on the path to be more relevant in Abbreviated.

I like where this is going (shorter games), but it can't be done like this. What about burden and exertions adding up and piling on the characters? This would pretty much kill some strategies, making others too viable.

February 01, 2013, 04:12:04 PM
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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2013, 04:12:04 PM »
I thought I've spelled this out, but I'll be more explicit, since there seems to be some confusion.

These format updates do not replace "official" formats.  They are new "unofficial" formats that start out the same as the "official" ones, but have some relatively small changes to them to try to help make them better.  I have set up an additional Gemp-Lotr server, so that anyone that wants to play them and give feedback, to help these "unofficial" formats be as good as can be, is welcome!

Thanks!

February 02, 2013, 08:59:32 PM
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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2013, 08:59:32 PM »
Hey guys! I would like to know if anybody would be interested trying this new DC set with me on the server...

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/forums/index.php/topic,8055.0.html

Tbiesty told me he would be willing to add it, but I need some people to play with once in a while.

Anybody interested?

February 05, 2013, 01:28:45 PM
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Re: Additional Gemp-Lotr server for exploring format updates
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2013, 01:28:45 PM »
I have to say, I am not currently interested in trying this new stuff out...

a) so long as there are so many errataed cards

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b) with new cards made up by (as far as I can tell) a single person.

As has been discussed before, if changes are made, if new cards are made, what I want (and what we need) is a TEAM of experienced players working together on this.

As of right now, all this new stuff is way too unilateral for my taste.

You guys thought the later Decipher sets were badly designed, because they had fewer people working on them? That will be nothing compared to new sets designed and tested by just a few people.
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February 06, 2013, 10:21:46 PM
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Re: Additional Gemp-Lotr server for exploring format updates
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2013, 10:21:46 PM »
2 things ...

-the site appears to be down
-I'm not very interested in playing w/errata'd cards. What *would* interest me would be the ability to play, as me & my friend often do with real cards, with decks made w/any cards at all, _including sites_. IE, I can play my fellowship block deck with fellowship sites vs. his movie block deck with a mix of TTT and King sites. This would not be for a well-balanced match, this is just for fun.

February 07, 2013, 06:02:49 AM
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« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2013, 06:02:49 AM »
Hello,

There is a French format on gemp which does exactly what you mean : Multipath. The last French Championship (october 2012, 20 players) was played in this format.

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/forums/index.php/topic,8148.0.html
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February 07, 2013, 09:49:07 AM
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« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2013, 09:49:07 AM »
Cool, thanks for pointing that out Enola. It's way on the bottom of the format list, I guess I never noticed it before. Shame about the long X-list, though. When playing with friends neither of us gives a tinker's cuss whether Decipher thinks Sting is broken or not.

Still, I appreciate you including explanations for all the X-listed cards in the thread you linked.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2013, 09:51:30 AM by gordie124 »