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May 14, 2008, 01:37:15 PM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Glorfindel, Returned
« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2008, 01:37:15 PM »
Thanks for all comments. I've left the cards above as is for the moment. I could see the point of raising the cost of return for Glorfindel's ability 4 cards, but it's hard without an actual playtest deck. Such is the problem of DCs. To confirm, twilight is unloaded, just as it was with Nazgul in Fellowship block.

A couple of random cards today. A common strength pump and a build-around uncommon condition.

[1] Otherworldly Power [Elven]
Event • Skirmish
Make an Elf companion strength +2 (or spot an Elf to make an unbound twilight companion strength +4).
"...you saw him as he is upon the other side: one of the mighty of the Firstborn."

[1] Passing of Days [Elven]
Condition • Support Area
Each time you scour a twilight card, you may exert an Elf to exert a minion.
Their time in middle-earth was fading, but their might was not yet spent.
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May 14, 2008, 01:48:18 PM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Glorfindel, Returned
« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2008, 01:48:18 PM »
Quote from: Anvar on May 14, 2008, 01:37:15 PM
[1] Otherworldly Power [Elven]
Event • Skirmish
Make an Elf companion strength +2 (or spot an Elf to make a twilight companion strength +4).
"...you saw him as he is upon the other side: one of the mighty of the Firstborn."
This seems fine.

Quote from: Anvar on May 14, 2008, 01:37:15 PM
[2] Passing of Days [Elven]
Condition • Support Area
Each time you scour a twilight card, you may exert an Elf to exert a minion.
Their time in middle-earth was fading, but their might was not yet spent.
Fantastically interesting, but I think it should be unique and cost [1] because the balance as it is is all off. It's unlikely to trigger yes, but if it does and you have 4 copies it could get crazy. It also doesn't seem that good overall, so all in all [1] and • speaks to me.

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May 14, 2008, 01:50:24 PM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Glorfindel, Returned
« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2008, 01:50:24 PM »
I'm not sure this needs to be unique. If it wasn't, then scouring a single card would require multiple exertions to get multiple exertions. Does this still need to be unique with the exertion cost?

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May 14, 2008, 01:56:06 PM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Passing of Days
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2008, 01:56:06 PM »
Not desperately, but I'd still feel happier - especially with (I'm assuming) some [Elven] enduring bonuses.

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May 14, 2008, 02:13:15 PM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Passing of Days
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2008, 02:13:15 PM »
Quote from: Thranduil on May 14, 2008, 01:56:06 PM
Not desperately, but I'd still feel happier - especially with (I'm assuming) some [Elven] enduring bonuses.

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As far as enduring goes, I have posted all Elven companions designed for this set, and so far only Elladan and Elrohir can do enduring, and then only with desperation.

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May 14, 2008, 02:15:36 PM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Passing of Days
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2008, 02:15:36 PM »
Fine, but it's still not worth [2]!

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May 14, 2008, 02:20:59 PM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Passing of Days
« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2008, 02:20:59 PM »
Quote from: Thranduil on May 14, 2008, 02:15:36 PM
Fine, but it's still not worth [2]!

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I agree, but Elven conditions often seem overpriced - see the World Ahead. If more people agree, I'll change it.

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May 14, 2008, 07:27:18 PM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Passing of Days
« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2008, 07:27:18 PM »
Well just because the real cards are overpriced doesn't mean that DCs need to be! [1] would be good enough but I would say that this needs to remain non unique. Nice cards!
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Glorfindel, Returned
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2008, 02:12:29 AM »
Quote from: Anvar on May 14, 2008, 01:37:15 PM

[1] Otherworldly Power [Elven]
Event • Skirmish
Make an Elf companion strength +2 (or spot an Elf to make a twilight companion strength +4).
"...you saw him as he is upon the other side: one of the mighty of the Firstborn."

Seems ok, STILL dont get twilight companions, twilight is twilight by context and meaning, the weird white floaty world of the nazgul, thats the way it should stay. Intepretation is pointless on such a defined aspect.

[2] Passing of Days [Elven]
Condition • Support Area
Each time you scour a twilight card, you may exert an Elf to exert a minion.
Their time in middle-earth was fading, but their might was not yet spent.

Cool.

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May 15, 2008, 09:40:50 AM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Passing of Days
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2008, 09:40:50 AM »
Quote from: Anvar on May 14, 2008, 01:37:15 PM


[1] Otherworldly Power [Elven]
Event • Skirmish
Make an Elf companion strength +2 (or spot an Elf to make a twilight companion strength +4).
"...you saw him as he is upon the other side: one of the mighty of the Firstborn."
  if RB's can be twilight, I would make it except the RB

[1] Passing of Days [Elven]
Condition • Support Area
Each time you scour a twilight card, you may exert an Elf to exert a minion.
Their time in middle-earth was fading, but their might was not yet spent.
you may maybe add 1 instead...or remove an elf token. exertion seems to harsh.
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May 15, 2008, 10:27:28 AM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Passing of Days
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2008, 10:27:28 AM »
I agree with SoP, though Passing of Days may be okay with the exertion.
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May 15, 2008, 10:34:24 AM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Passing of Days
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2008, 10:34:24 AM »
Thanks for comments, some changes made. Passing of Days needs the exertion, I suspect, as scouring cards is fairly common.

I'm afraid Lemon that if you don't like FP twilight cards, you are going to hate this cycle of Elven events. Sorry. I guess I could have invented a new keyword to describe the idea of supernatural but it seemed a better idea to develop a key word already in existence.

Anyway, on to some more Elven cards.

Anvar

[1] Healing Touch [Elven]
Event • Fellowship
Twilight.
Spot an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card, heal a companion. If it was a twilight card, heal a companion.
"'Elrond has cured you: he has tended you for days, ever since you were brought in.'"

[1] Wrath of the Elf-Lords [Elven]
Event • Skirmish
Twilight.
Spot an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card, make a minion strength -2. If it was a twilight card make a minion strength -2.
"'Elrond commanded it,' answered Gandalf. 'The river of this valley is under his power, and it will rise in anger when he has great need to bar the Ford.'"[/i]

[2] Walk Between Worlds [Elven]
Event • Maneuver
Twilight.
Exert an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card discard a condition. If it was a twilight card discard a condition.
"'...you saw him for a moment as he is upon the other side: one of the mighty of the Firstborn.'"

[3] Power Over the Night [Elven]
Event • Archery
Twilight.
Exert an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card exert a minion. If it was a twilight card exert a minion.
"Gilthoniel! O Elbereth! / Clear are thy eyes and bright thy breath!"
« Last Edit: May 16, 2008, 08:39:04 AM by Anvar »
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May 15, 2008, 10:47:37 AM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Passing of Days
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2008, 10:47:37 AM »
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[ 0] Healing Touch [Elven]
Event • Fellowship
Twilight.
Spot an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card, heal a companion. If it was a twilight card, heal a companion.
"'Elrond has cured you: he has tended you for days, ever since you were brought in.'"
Considering the awesome telepathy that the [Elven] culture has, this should probably cost [1]. And since both [Elven] cards and twilight cards have the same effect here, you can probably combine them: "If that card was an [Elven] or twilight card, heal a companion."

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[1] Wrath of the Elf-Lords [Elven]
Event • Skirmish
Twilight.
Spot an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card, make a minion strength -2. If it was a twilight card make a minion strength -2.
"'Elrond commanded it,' answered Gandalf. 'The river of this valley is under his power, and it will rise in anger when he has great need to bar the Ford.'"[/i]
Same comment here, though the cost is good now.

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[2] Walk Between Worlds [Elven]
Event • Maneuver
Twilight.
Exert an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card discard a condition. If it was a twilight card discard a condition.
"'...you saw him for a moment as he is upon the other side: one of the mighty of the Firstborn.'"
...and again. This one MIGHT be okay costing only [1], though.

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[2] Power Over the Night [Elven]
Event • Archery
Twilight.
Exert an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card exert a minion. If it was a twilight card exert a minion.
"Gilthoniel! O Elbereth! / Clear are thy eyes and bright thy breath!"
...and once more. 'Twould look so much cleaner if the last two sentences were combined. [1] is probably fine here, too.
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May 15, 2008, 10:51:48 AM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Passing of Days
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2008, 10:51:48 AM »
Quote from: Anvar on May 15, 2008, 10:34:24 AM
Thanks for comments, some changes made. Passing of Days needs the exertion, I suspect, as scouring cards is fairly common.

I'm afraid Lemon that if you don't like FP twilight cards, you are going to hate this cycle of Elven events. Sorry. I guess I could have invented a new keyword to describe the idea of supernatural but it seemed a better idea to develop a key word already in existence.

Anyway, on to some more Elven cards.

Anvar

[ 0] Healing Touch [Elven]
Event • Fellowship
Twilight.
Spot an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card, heal a companion. If it was a twilight card, heal a companion.
"'Elrond has cured you: he has tended you for days, ever since you were brought in.'"
again, make it elven or twilight

[1] Wrath of the Elf-Lords [Elven]
Event • Skirmish
Twilight.
Spot an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card, make a minion strength -2. If it was a twilight card make a minion strength -2.
"'Elrond commanded it,' answered Gandalf. 'The river of this valley is under his power, and it will rise in anger when he has great need to bar the Ford.'"[/i]
maybe make it if it is a twilight card exert a minion

[2] Walk Between Worlds [Elven]
Event • Maneuver
Twilight.
Exert an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card discard a condition. If it was a twilight card discard a condition.
"'...you saw him for a moment as he is upon the other side: one of the mighty of the Firstborn.'"
shouldn't it bed if it was an elven or twilight card?  cut to one

[2] Power Over the Night [Elven]
Event • Archery
Twilight.
Exert an Elf to scour a card. If it was an [Elven] card exert a minion. If it was a twilight card exert a minion.
"Gilthoniel! O Elbereth! / Clear are thy eyes and bright thy breath!"
ditto above
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May 15, 2008, 11:09:30 AM
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Re: Return to the Paths of the Dead - Passing of Days
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2008, 11:09:30 AM »
I see that there is some misunderstanding of these cards. They are written as they are written for very good reason - they do what they say. If it's an Elven card, you do it once. If it's a twilight card, you do it once. If it's an Elven twilight card, you get the effect twice.

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