Merits of a PC

[Kenddrick]

I guess people can just migrate to the PC website that has been up-and-running since that whole talk started three years ago.
-wtk

Anyways, overreaction? Maybe you could use that "loads of money per hour" to create, moderate, and frequent the Players' Committee Website.

Why are you always targeting the PC? People are trying hard to get it up and running and you are always mocking it.

[Kenddrick]

Frankly, I think it is a dumb idea. But that's nothing new, is it?
-wtk

One man's opinion.

[Jerba]

Disclaimer: Jerba does not endorse the use of his words in any campaign against the creation of a PC.

[SomeRandomDude]

Why are you always targeting the PC? People are trying hard to get it up and running and you are always mocking it.

I'll let jerba handle it for me:

...a dead game...

Frankly, I think it is a dumb idea. But that's nothing new, is it?
-wtk

Or you could quit harassing people who want to try to go somewhere with the game. I've kinda moved onto other stuff, so I kinda don't care...I don't get why anyone would oppose it though. Seems like you'd either support it or not care.

[MR. Lurtzy]

Some of us don't want the game to be ruined (although I support a limited PC).

[chompers]

Ket - see here we are on the other side of the fence thinking that the opposition is doing more harm than good. Perhaps both sides of the fence need to look at each others arguments and then we work together to achieve a common goal.

In the end, the lack of cohesion amongst members on this forum is doing more harm than good. Both parties are at fault because we can't work out how to work together.

You see when I first started using these boards I loved LOTR. But my experiences using these boards have not always been positive. As a result, I am starting to move away from LOTR. From my perspective, this lack of cohesion is doing more harm than good. I can't speak for anyone else however.

I believe so strongly in a PC because I stopped playing Star Trek CCG when Decipher lost its licence. I played Star Trek right from its infancy in 1994, ran tournaments, everything really. Two years later, I found out that Star Trek was still alive and kicking and supported by a strong PC which was releasing new v-cards, errata for broken combos, rules support, tournament support, and so on. I thought to myself "wow - i can keep playing Star Trek and the game will continue to evolve." I am a sucker for new playing experiences (I am not saying LOTR doesn't do this, in fact with so many formats it is probably one of its strengths. The format issue also provides one of the biggest barriers to moving forward.

To summarise, I now spend most of my time playing Star Trek and that is only because there is an active Star Trek community in my area. That community is active because Star Trek has an active PC. But I still care enough about LOTR to keep coming back here, hoping that something may have changed, and the lack of cohesion may have come to an end.

After 6 months or more on arguing and being inflexible towards other peoples points of view perhaps it is time we all put our heads together in a positive way, put differences aside, and work out how to stop this division. If we all work together, the future of LOTR is better than if we all oppose each other.

[MR. Lurtzy]

There is no problem in promoting the game, and tourneys. I think it could be possible to have a PC for that, but it would not be absolutely necessary. And there should be no rules changes, bannings, or new cards. As long as any of those bolded items are in the goals of the PC, I will vehemently oppose it.

[Kralik]

rules changes, bannings, or new cards.

This is what people commonly think of when they want a PC. Everyone can promote the game, a "committee" makes the rules.

[MR. Lurtzy]

Exactly, which is why I oppose it.

[MuadDib85]

And there should be no rules changes, bannings, or new cards.

Agreed.

This is the only reason I would not want a PC.

[chompers]

Thanks for reinforcing my point - division between the members of this site and inflexibility towards others opinions will continue to hinder the growth of the game. It amazes me that a forum having nothing to do with the PC often end up discussing the PC. Why is that?

It is easy to find a flaw in someone's argument if that is your agenda but you need to support it with a better argument. Star Trek did not take a PC to get me into the game, but i did return to it because it exists. I got back into LOTR also because this site exists, but have since moved on.

The PC for Star Trek has enabled it to have a far bigger future than what LOTR currently has - current up-to-date rulings, v-cards, new playing formats, tournaments, world championships ... the list goes on. Players can still elect to play without v-cards, errata cards, the old formats still exists if you choose to use them. LOTR does not have to have all of this but some of it might benefit even those of you that currently oppose a PC. This site does not provide any of these elements.

[chompers]

Oh, and for those who suggest that large, world-wide tournaments are a possibility, look at the limited success that Smeagollum is having trying to get something going in May (>8 participants)* and Hawkeye got zero interest at GenCon (nerd central...you would think a few people would want to show).

Either way, if you host your "Worlds" in the Washington DC Metropolitan area, I'll show (Movie Block only), but otherwise, find me on GCCG because I'm not going to travel to Zaire to play cards.
-wtk

Edit: * Smeagollum: That's not to say I want your event to fail. I actually want a lot of people to show up and then they can come to the site and play on GCCG and I have competition there!
-wtk

Large scale tournaments are a possibility. Star Trek World's are on this year in Germany. I know many players that will be travelling there. I also know many players that will not.

LOTR does not have a World's. Why? No PC. The game is finished and not evolving, and this does not attract players.

The variables here are two-fold. One - different game. Two - no PC. So the question is, does LOTR not have Worlds because it does not have a PC or because it is a different game? I am sure you could argue both sides of that fence and if you look deep enough find other variables.

[Smeagollum]

KTJ is partiately right it seems very difficult to get people warm for a bigger tournament. Reason for this is time, money and distance. People are not willing to invest in that for a dead game. That said it's awkward that people are paying a lot of money for some cards on ebay. Seeing the reactions on this forum I sometimes get the impression that we do not know these persons who bought these cards. So there still seems to be a market. That said I was disapointed at Gil-Estel's tournament. I think there were about 15 players (which was good), but I had the impression that some of the returned players only returned to sell their cards or to trade them for magic or wow......

An active pc however could bring back the game to life again. A good example is startrek. But if I look at Middle earth it seems there's a lot of inactivity. Not sure about starwars but last time I visited their forum there was a lot of inactivity as well.
 
If I look on these forums then I see there is a lot of talk about a pc, but when someone is putting efford in it then it get a lot of cheer in the beginning, but when it comes to develop an organization then there's not so much response. I know at least someone who lost his inspiration for creating a pc.
Also there's a big difference in opinion about which way the game should evolve; think about restricting or banning cards, organizing tournaments and or v-cards.

Also we lose a lot of people because they getting older; they start a family or they have lesser time due to work. It's easier for people if they just study and have not that much responsabilities. (Btw.. does anyone know where The Jord is?)

So if you want to get this game alive then you should put some efford into it, but somehow I don't see that to happen, which is unfortunate.

[Gil-Estel]

I agree with Ket, which is not a surprise to some I guess. When LotR was still active, still alive, I wasn't a tournament player. I am really satisfied with what I have right now. I do not need a worldwide rivival of the game, since I didn't participate when I could. This site serves my interest the best. Connecting with others who like to play. If I have to travel for it, sure, I have fun. I will go to Paris somewhere this year to meet Enola and play him. Just because I can, and I like the person. If Germany is going to organize an event, I will probably go again. But not only for the love of the game, since GCCG offers me more games and less difficulty, since I don't have to travel. I like to meet other people, I like the interaction.
So I kinda use this site to mobalize people to look eachother up, not to teach others. I have a close friend, fond of games, but never taught him lotr. This will be done in the future, but it shows my priority

Oh and I love all of you the same

[Smeagollum]

@ Gil-Estel... Komt Enola naar Amsterdam eigenlijk?