Merits of a PC

[Smeagollum]

I really don't see anypoint for not having a pc. It really are non-arguments. If you've got a pc then it would be obvious to me that you make two format's (in this case I mean different format's then usually is meant here, but don't know how to call it otherwise):

1 Traditional as it is now with current rulings and by decipher sanctioned formats and no Austrian format and no altered x-list, r-list and errata. For people who like it as it is.

2 an expanded post decipher format (section?) with new gameplay, extended ruling and stuff. also v-sets. For people who would like to see the game develop and evolve.

Both can be played and everybody can enjoy the game he likes the most. I agree on Ket that we might not need more then this site. we can do this at tlhh, sure.. no problem. But what i think a pc is great for us is that it's easier to get more organized gameplay cq tournaments. I think tournaments would add to bring in new players. Also you need to keep people interrested. With no new cards it would be harder, not impossible, but more difficult. Also it would be nice to have a ratinglist again. You can all do this at tlhh. actually we allready do those things, but we don't do it organized. A pc should control this so people like ket and his minions/followers are protected that their needs are guaranteed. But it would also give the option to the others to do the things they would like, by example make officious virtual sets. There's no harm in that.

Actually everything Ket says is more reason to have a PC. A pc is there for organization and ballance and supporting it's players in it's needs. Nothing more.

What Ket is doing now is to say it's not nescesarry to have a pc and it will damage the game, but then you forfill only the needs of just one part of our player community and that is selfish. With a pc we can do both! And service both groups needs. actually ket should be in the council!

Only thing I say is that I favour a pc, but that I have big doubts of seeing it happen, because there is a lack of input imo and the endless discussion between the Jay and the nay's. So if people want a pc I think you should just start one, temporarely ignore they nays (Does still mean that the pc still needs to concider both needs) and start things up. If it is interresting people will come and will start to trust a pc. If it doesn't then the pc will die automaticly and no harm is done, because we can allways fallback to what we have. Did it harm Star Wars ccg: no. Did it harm Star Trek ccg: no.

Wizards is losing their license for SW miniatures and people are allready organizing themselves for post-wizards. So why don't we. A pc doesn't mean that you have to play it in the pc format. You can always play how it is now. But you give the option to the others, like Thranduill, me, chompers and others to do what they would like and because you do this organized you/we can control this.

Also a pc can repair thing organized. Ket is against a pc, but still asks for example:

Why is Sting banned but Glamdring (1R75) is not?
-wtk

That's exactly the reason why a pc is needed: to get general agreement on some matters.
The more the nays say nay, actually is the more reason why a pc is needed.

[Smeagollum]

* ket_the_jet raises hand.

-wtk

I think this is a bit scary, don't you think? It remembers me about 1931- 1945. And I don't think you want me to think that, because I think you are a smart boy, but you don't need to be demagogic. Although you're good at it; seeing your minions. And I really think you don't mean to be like such. Or do you? So what are you trying to do: Manipulate me and others to do it your way? Why should I? I'm no lesser being then you and vice versa. I just want to have fun like I think you want to do as well. We should be not so sarcastic and aggresive.. including myself. But such remark and seeing how you trying to get some of us I, can't all it nothing more then manipulated, into a discussion we can't win, because you negelect our feelings. I don't think that's what you want, but it's the feeling I get by some of your remarks. Please note I don't want to offend you. I only want to express my feelings and concerns.

[Smeagollum]

Do you know who said "nay" on Sting? Decipher. That's good enough for me.

I appreciate the length of your post and your concern for my interests. I will post later (tomorrow, probably) with a few thoughts.
-wtk

As long as it is constructive But please note if we want to keep the game alive then we need both the nay's and the jay's! That means that I need you and I like to think vice versa. And hey if you followed my remarks closely you know I'm a traditional player who like the game how it is (cards are meant to be played), but I would like to have more tournaments and also virtual sets. I also would like a kind of meeting say about 3 days where we can all meet eachother (would be interresting to meet both you and chompers) and then talk with you about other things and also have some fun games. And yes I like to have discussions as well,  though it would be nicer in Dutch (so people learn Dutch.., The Americans did miscalculate the votes during their independence, actually dutch won with one vote more then english, but then there was a fraude by assuming a forefather of Gearge W. Bush and english got the 1 vote majority )

[Gate Troll]

* ket_the_jet raises hand.

-wtk

I think this is a bit scary, don't you think? It remembers me about 1931- 1945. And I don't think you want me to think that, because I think you are a smart boy, but you don't need to be demagogic. Although you're good at it; seeing your minions. And I really think you don't mean to be like such. Or do you? So what are you trying to do: Manipulate me and others to do it your way? Why should I? I'm no lesser being then you and vice versa. I just want to have fun like I think you want to do as well. We should be not so sarcastic and aggresive.. including myself. But such remark and seeing how you trying to get some of us I, can't all it nothing more then manipulated, into a discussion we can't win, because you negelect our feelings. I don't think that's what you want, but it's the feeling I get by some of your remarks. Please note I don't want to offend you. I only want to express my feelings and concerns.

I wasn't saying 'Heil ket_the_jet' and I'm not his minion, I simply think he's 100% correct. And on a minor historical note, Adolf Hitler didn't take power until 1933. 

[Smeagollum]

Oh, but he started before Well it seems you feel spoken to.. thus you understand what I mean. That's good, but now be decent don't make jokes about I raise my hand.. and followers it's not done. And good that you have an opinion for your own so debate; you know what I think speaks for a pc and give real argument's for no pc, because thus far i've seen none other then we don't need. Don't need it is no argument for not creating a pc.. You might say a pc is something extra to the game. You might not want this extra (by no reason so far), but others do and there's enough room for both needs.

Btw your avatar is from Wow? Can't see it clearly...

[Gate Troll]

My avatar is an ork from Warhammer 40k. Hence the Waaaaaaaaagh!!!! underneath it.

Orks iz da biggezt an' da best, see, me an' da boyz ar' better than any stoopid humies an we' iz gonna stomp 'em all real good! Waaaaaaaaaaagh!!!!

[Smeagollum]

My avatar is an ork from Warhammer 40k. Hence the Waaaaaaaaagh!!!! underneath it.

Orks iz da biggezt an' da best, see, me an' da boyz ar' better than any stoopid humies an we' iz gonna stomp 'em all real good! Waaaaaaaaaaagh!!!!

Nice

[Smeagollum]

@KTJ

Actually you're saying the same thing I do. Just start the pc and see what happens. That's all I wanted to know.

2nd.. never said that another website was or is nescesarry. In my plan there would come a website, but one which would have buildin tlhh and gcc So actually build around tlhh. And I still think in the end Kendricks site and TLHH should merge.

Oh I don't have to prove myself about bringing new or old players in the game. Allready did that. Thing is and that's your flaw, I think you've to attract people to the game and serve them. i don't think people are searching actively for it. You need to attract them.

About selfishness.. well according to me I proposed something for both players. I don't deny your way, but I felt that you deny the way of a pc. But now you've stressed that out, by saying don't care what I say just do it and see what happens. In that case I hope you won't hinder the pc, by shofering them for example. Though I still like you to be critical, but not that it looks like there are two playergroups within one. I ask your support for that. Let that then be your support to the pc

Thank you for not seeing me as a leader... I hate to be one. When I was trying to bring it up I remember that I asked somebodyelse to lead the pc. I asked Discostu. Because I know what I can and can't. But for your remarks and confidence just overthink this: There is a swimmingclub called DE Meeuwen (The gulls) and they had financial problems, a lack of volunteers, Qualified instructors and there was no waterpolo anymore. It was my old club. On some point about 5 years ago I started up a waterpolo manteam. That brought in new people. Some of them came into the board and on them I used my influence to reorganize teaching kids how to learn to swim. I advised them to bring in one person (my old teacher btw) to do this for them. after a year there came a new trainer for the men and I started a waterpolodepartment for kids. And now here is my flaw. I can only start things up.. I can't finnish them. It's to much stress for me. But because i started up the waterpolodepartment there came more members and so more money. Now de Meeuwen is financially solid. Oh there are still problems, because the active members are to you to carry the club by themself.. whole generations are mssing in this club. so It will take about another 6 years for those problems are solved. But there are enough volunteers and more important there are some very high-qualified trainers in the club.. and those trainers are on international level (and that for a very small club which even don't perform on a high level... yet). I think I know what I can and what I can't. But would you have thought that behind me? Don't think so. So you don't know me and you don't know chompers or Kendrick, what gives you the right to judge them? And yeah I would have liked to have Hawkeyespf in the pc as well. Did ask him and some others, because I know I can start up, but i can't finnish.

I wished I could play gcc (would like to whipe your ash with my decks ), but there is something I don;t quite understand and that are the commando's and my english is not good enough to get it started up. So if you could advise me then please?!

Then back to my other remark. Well I said that because I was and to be honest am concerned. I don't like that kind of jokes. That might sound awkward maybe because you think it's just a joke, but I think you underestimate your influence. You like to provoke people and your a populist (that's what I think) so people are easily influenced by you. Here we have someone like that in the politics who also ain't a nazi, but who likes to polorize... It ruins our country by the way, because of two opposites (and therefore I loved the link you posted). His name is Geert Wilders and he also like to make jokes. Jokes are often misinterpretedAnd to be honest I see you do some things here that he does in politics.

[Hobbiton Lad]

I'm no expert on community game development, but I think you have to start at the local level. Generating interest in the game again should be the number one priority. The PC should exist to provide support and a uniform structure to the player base, but there has to be a relatively substantial player base intact.

Anyone that has built a successful organization will tell you that starting small is key. A good goal would be to demo at every store in your area. Then see if you can manage to get 8 people out to a sealed deck tournament. These are great places to start.

[Gil-Estel]

Hmmm, if I am correct there are 2 opinions...

1. people who are in favor of the PC
2. people who do not need the PC

Let those who feel connected with 1 proceed as planned, without interverance of those who do not connect with 1, and let the #2s play lotr the way they always liked it. Play with your friends, if don't have them, buy some, if you can't afford them, lend them, if you cannot borrow friends, go to the bums on the street and teach them....if that is too much effort, download GCCG.

[Gil-Estel]

Hobbiton Lad, you earned yourself a .

-wtk

You are generous to those who support your ideas....have a 

[Hobbiton Lad]

I totally am in favor of having a PC. I just think you have to create the need for a PC before you form the committee itself.

It would be like foming a government when there are no citizens to govern. It's simple supply and demand. Create the demand for a PC before you supply it.

[Kralik]

Are you sure everyone wants to create the need for a PC? I think first, before anything else, we need to think about fostering the desire to discuss the lack of a want of the need to create the PC.

[Smeagollum]

Hobbiton Lad, you earned yourself a .

Smeagollum, when things are a little slower at work, I will delve back into our discussion.
-wtk

Is good my friend   here's one for you. Actually Gil is using less words then I tried to explain. thx Heije. Here's  two for you    

[Smeagollum]

... and because you also can speak dutch another one