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February 01, 2011, 04:13:07 PM
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2011, 04:13:07 PM »
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February 01, 2011, 08:38:16 PM
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2011, 08:38:16 PM »
heir to the white city would be a good one to remake or are we just nominating set 1 only?

I was thinking "when the fellowship moves during the fellowship phase exert gorn to remove 2 twilight" OR "When the fellowship moves during the fellowship phase discard 2 cards from hand to remove 2 twilight."

Also I think more possessions should function like armor (bearer must be a man).  It makes no sense that faramir can't use a rohirrim sword just because he's from another country.  I mean legolas (from mirkwood) uses a an elf bow just as easily as haldir (from Caras Galardon).  It seems kind of rascist to clump all dwarves, elves, and wizards into one group then split up man cultures.  That's like saying all oriental folks are chinese while americans are oregonians, washingtonians, and new yorkers.  We don't need a universal culture, just more loose bearer rules.
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February 01, 2011, 09:43:14 PM
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2011, 09:43:14 PM »
I think your right that for general items like a random Rohan sword you should have more loose rules but still if something is more "culture" specific like Tower Guard armor or House of Eorl armor that it should still be kept in the right culture.

In the books (just read through them again :p) many of the characters use random armor and weapons from time to time. For example Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas were in Rohan Garb throughout the portions of the book that were in Rohan.
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February 02, 2011, 04:46:04 AM
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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2011, 04:46:04 AM »
I think we should first let the 4 people here come up with working ideas, then let the rest of the commnity comment. IF we have to have everyones thumbs up, we're getting nowhere.

February 02, 2011, 07:05:51 AM
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2011, 07:05:51 AM »
hrcho, I don't see the point of changing/virtualizing cards that have their proper place in the right block.

Aye, it probably doesn't belong on that list. Can't blame me for trying ;)

I have been put in my place on this issue. ;) It is a solid card. I guess I just never saw it played.

Also, I like the idea of V-ing Aragorn, HTTWC and returning him to the table. He is a useless Aragorn (if you folow the X-List) and could be updated without interfering with other versions that still see play (even if only occasionally). Besides, I have a foil one that really wants to play with all his friends. ;)

February 02, 2011, 01:27:57 PM
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2011, 01:27:57 PM »
I do agree that there should be a few to get the ball rolling, but having community brainstorming at first isn't a bad idea either.

I'd suggest not errata'ing cards that are X-ed. Why? Take HttWC for example. He has his place in Fellowship Block. If you errata him to give him play in other blocks, he's gimped in Fellowship. Don't like choke? Then maybe Fellowship block isn't for you. ;)

February 02, 2011, 03:46:00 PM
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2011, 03:46:00 PM »
It is obvious that when a card is V-ed, the original can always be used as well. BUT I want to see if we can make a few unplayables playable, and HTTWC isnt unplayable. When a card is selected, its always advisable to see which format it belongs to.

And FOTR block is played. If HTTWC would be in King Block, that could be another thing, cause I dont know anybody playing king block.

February 02, 2011, 07:15:02 PM
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2011, 07:15:02 PM »
It is obvious that when a card is V-ed, the original can always be used as well.

my thoughts exactly, perhaps a disclaimer on the V-card, "to use in formats other than FOTR block, change text to..."
food for thought.

also, if no one has a problem with heir to the white city, I vote we G list him again.  (G as in the G rating of american movies. Get it?)
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February 02, 2011, 07:40:24 PM
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2011, 07:40:24 PM »
I don't have a problem with him in Fellowship block, but since Decipher moved away from choke in the sets after FotR, I think he should stay X-ed (along with NSttS, for example).

February 03, 2011, 01:17:47 AM
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2011, 01:17:47 AM »
The idea of a v-card is not to bring out an errata but to create a new card. If we would V FTTWC, uyou could play 1 V and 3 non-V, or any mix possible (and legal). Its not that if we V a card the non V cannot be used anymore. So a gametext adding: when not in FOTR block, do this wont work... Also too much text on a card is never good. Text should be short and clear.

February 03, 2011, 01:24:29 AM
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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2011, 01:24:29 AM »
And to go back on topic about V-set 1:

Since the idea is to release a miniset of cards to show people what we want to achieve, I would suggest we pick a card from each movieculture which has little playvalue and V it. BUT to achieve this we would need 12 cards. One for each culture and one ring. Suggestions about cards?

I think we should add 2 or 3 companions and at least a few minions.

February 03, 2011, 07:23:44 AM
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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2011, 07:23:44 AM »
Gandalf, Mithrandir would be a good card to V. He is kinda cool and sees a bit of play, but I would like something a bit better. Although HttWC is only useful in FotR, I'd rather see something like Strength of Kings V'd. It is a cool concept, a great pic, and a cool name, but almost never sees play.
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February 03, 2011, 08:04:54 AM
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« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2011, 08:04:54 AM »
Since the idea is to release a miniset of cards to show people what we want to achieve, I would suggest we pick a card from each movieculture which has little playvalue and V it. BUT to achieve this we would need 12 cards. One for each culture and one ring. Suggestions about cards?

I agree with RB on this. We should go with Thran's suggestion, but instead of 9 cards, let's make 12 + The One Ring as RB suggested. Also, I think we should make a new The One Ring, but make it common or uncommon. Tbiesty suggested we V the X-ed cards and also keep them as they are. I think that's a great idea.

I also think we will agree that The Weight of a Legacy can take its place as a card representing the [Sauron] culture.

Let's find others. As both Thran and RB said, it would be good if there were at least 2-3 companions and 2-3 minions.

Since we are trying to bring X-ed cards back to life, there are some obvious choices and some that are not so obvious:
[Gondor] - Aragorn, HttWC
[Elven] - Galadriel, LoL OR Elrond, LoR
[Gandalf] - Ottar, MoL OR Steadfast Champion
[Sauron] - The Weight of a Legacy
[Isengard] - Saruman, KoI
[Moria] - Relics of Moria
[Raider] - Men of Harad
[Wraith] - Ulaire Nertea, MoDG
[Rohan] - Eothain, Scout of the Mark
[Gollum] - Smeagol, Old Noser
[Dunland] - Dunland seems good as it is. Maybe we could create a new here, unless someone has a better idea.
[Shire] - Sting

What are your thoughts?
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