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[Legion]

See the change log.  Follow Smeagol no longer replaces your own site.  Nor does Pathfinder.

[Eukalyptus]

Anything freeps related that plays the next site ("replacing opponents site if necessary") is now working correctly.

[sgtdraino]

See the change log.  Follow Smeagol no longer replaces your own site.  Nor does Pathfinder.

Anything freeps related that plays the next site ("replacing opponents site if necessary") is now working correctly.

From Comprehensive Rules 4.0:

Some cards allow a player to play the next site on the adventure path at times when the fellowship is not moving. These may be used even when the next site is already there. In such cases, the new site replaces the old one; put the old site back in its owner's adventure deck. The new site takes the same site number the old site had, so that there is always only one site 1 in play, one site 2, and so on. When a site is replaced, all cards played on or stacked on the old site are moved to the new site.

Follow Smeagol and Pathfinder do not say that they only work on an opponent's sites.

[bibfortuna25]

Yes, once the Shadows sites came out, the phrase "replacing an opponent's site if necessary" became redundant. Pathfinder and Follow Smeagol should still be able to replace your own sites.

[sgtdraino]

Email sent to MarcinS, for what it's worth. A few more emails backing up this interpretation may be more helpful.

[daisukeman]

Hi All,

I'll raise:
Melilot Brandybuck, Merry Dancer + Gollum, Mad Thing
But not sure if strictly it's a bug...

At http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=daisukeman$rcstovosccecg1lz, first player to reach to site 8, you can see how Gollum is assigned by the free peoples without being given a +3 or adding a burden.. thanks to Melilot Brandybuck.

I'm no expert on these type of rulings but I sense this should be the same as Boromir, Bearer of Council + Armor (or even better, the one scenario having Morgul Destroyer / Morgul Brute + whatever prevents a wound).
In both these cases, when the wound is prevented, then the other condition kicks in.

Is this different or should be the same (a bug)?

[Valtor]

Yes, once the Shadows sites came out, the phrase "replacing an opponent's site if necessary" became redundant. Pathfinder and Follow Smeagol should still be able to replace your own sites.

Is that right? I thought Pathfinder and Follow Smeagol could not replace your own sites.

Thus, Follow Smeagol says "Regroup: Exert Sméagol .. to play the fellowship's next site ... "

If the fellowship's next site is already in play (eg because that fellowship has already played it using eg Pathfinder, or because that fellowship is behind on the site path and already played its next site during the opponent's previous fellowship phase), then the action will have no effect. Because the fellowship in question has already played its next site.

It is perfectly possible to pay a cost for an action that is ineffective because the situation called for by that action already exists.

So, if (as in sgtdraino's game) at regroup phase Fellowship A is at site 4, and already played its choice for site 5 during a previous fellowship phase of the opposing player, Fellowship A's "next site" is already in "play", and using and Follow Smeagol or Pathfinder "to play the fellowship's next site" will have no effect because Fellowship A has already played its next site.

[bibfortuna25]

The fellowship's next site is the one beyond where the fellowship currently is. Playing the next site should replace any site that is already there. It wasn't possible to replace your own sites pre-Shadows, but now it is possible. That's why the parenthetical text on Pathfinder is unnecessary.

[Pepi]

Hm ... if a player exerts Gimli with Baruk Khazad, can't I use Lost to the Goblins in response? Is that a bug or am I missing something?

[bibfortuna25]

If Gimli is the Ring-bearer, then yes, LttG should trigger from Baruk Khazad. If it didn't, then you've found a bug!

[Pepi]

Ah, no, wait. It's my bad. Checked the screenshot I made again, and noticed, that I didn't have the option of response, because of the fact there was no twilight left and my opponent was playing Legolas, DH. Sry.

[bibfortuna25]

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=bibfortuna$rsz7d8dd7j2rmxov

In this game, I played Terrible and Evil and chose 0 for the value of X. The CRD says that if you play a card that exerts a character X times, X cannot be 0.

[sgtdraino]

Good catch. For purposes of reference:

exert
A character cannot exert 0 times to pay the cost
of a card that requires a character to exert X
times.
You cannot pay for the cost of They Sang As They
Slew by exerting a character zero times.

[daisukeman]

So,.. could anyone tell me if this is a bug?

Hi All,

I'll raise:
Melilot Brandybuck, Merry Dancer + Gollum, Mad Thing
But not sure if strictly it's a bug...

At http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=daisukeman$rcstovosccecg1lz, first player to reach to site 8, you can see how Gollum is assigned by the free peoples without being given a +3 or adding a burden.. thanks to Melilot Brandybuck.

I'm no expert on these type of rulings but I sense this should be the same as Boromir, Bearer of Council + Armor (or even better, the one scenario having Morgul Destroyer / Morgul Brute + whatever prevents a wound).
In both these cases, when the wound is prevented, then the other condition kicks in.

Is this different or should be the same (a bug)?

[bibfortuna25]

Melilot shouldn't be able to prevent Mad Thing from adding the burden, since it's the FP's choice which one to do.