Author Topic: More Virtual Cards (Cruel Caradhras, take II) (Read 201620 times)

Thranduil · « **Reply #225 on:** June 11, 2008, 08:18:02 AM »

I disagree that the only use Erland has is to get back other followers. He gives you a free vitality every maneuver to regroup phase (because there's no reason to keep him on when you move, you simply transfer him to your support area and get the vitality again after you move on), which is amazing especially when Gandalf exerts quite a bit.

I have lowered his aid cost, however, and changed other cards as suggested.

Thranduil

lem0nhead · « **Reply #226 on:** June 11, 2008, 08:21:04 AM »

I disagree with your disagreement! Its not free vitality, you had to exert someone so overall within the fellowship its not a net gain in health. But better now its lowered to aid 2. And i dont see how vitality bonsues are that good anyway. Health only matters if you need to exert or take wounds and if you lose that bonus at the end of the turn what point is there?

Still think he's extremely limited in use.

Thranduil · « **Reply #227 on:** June 11, 2008, 08:24:22 AM »

Quote from: lem0nhead on June 11, 2008, 08:21:04 AM

I disagree with your disagreement! Its not free vitality, you had to exert someone so overall within the fellowship its not a net gain in health. But better now its lowered to aid 2. And i dont see how vitality bonsues are that good anyway. Health only matters if you need to exert or take wounds and if you lose that bonus at the end of the turn what point is there?

Still think he's extremely limited in use.

Consider this:

Gandalf with Trust Me As You Once Did out. In the maneuver phase, you transfer Erland to him. Now Gandalf has 5 vitality and can exert 4 times for TMAYOD. At the start of the regroup phase, you transfer Erland to your support area and remove one of those wounds from Gandalf so that he remains exhausted.

Next maneuver phase, you transfer Erland again to Gandalf who can now exert 1 more time for TMAYOD. This is a net gain of +1 vitality every turn.

Or, you could simply not exert Gandalf and transfer Erland back to your support area to heal him, which in itself is very useful.

Thranduil

lem0nhead · « **Reply #228 on:** June 11, 2008, 08:27:17 AM »

I suppose so, but at first when you had an exertion for the aid it just meant that playing a card that exerted someone to heal gandalf would have been just as effective, with this twilight cost instead it makes your point valid, but i STILL wouldnt use him as it relies on you exhausting someone everyturn or youre not getting the full benefit of him.

Thranduil · « **Reply #229 on:** June 11, 2008, 08:29:57 AM »

You still get to heal people.

for what may as well be a condition that heals every turn looks reasonable to me. And he also has an inbuilt ability to exhaust someone.

Thranduil

lem0nhead · « **Reply #230 on:** June 12, 2008, 02:09:49 AM »

But the point was Thran, that to get the benefit you have to be exhausted, wasnt that it was hard to exhaust someone, but that is is a BAD idea to exhaust someone. A simple one card combo that relies on exhauston is stupid except for enduring wraiths but they have an entire mechanism and a card that makes them useful. This guy is pointless if the only benefit you get from him is a very dull one that relies on your characters having 1 vitality.

Thranduil · « **Reply #231 on:** June 12, 2008, 03:16:20 AM »

Okay let's have some cool but slightly off-the wall cards. The first one we've already seen, but I liked it so much I thought I'd post it again!

Questions That Need Answering (V)

Condition • Support Area
Search.
To play, spot Gandalf.
All players must place their hand face-up on the table in front of them and must keep the top card of their draw deck face-up at all times.
Discard this condition at the end of the turn.
"'There are some things that I must see to…'"
1 V 81

Risk A Little Light (V)

Event • Maneuver
Spell.
Spot Gandalf to reveal the top card of each player's draw deck. For each Free Peoples card revealed, you may remove

.
"'Let me risk a little more light.'"
1 V 82

Strength of Spirit (V)

Condition
Spell.
Bearer must be Gandalf.
Each minion skirmishing Gandalf loses all gametext keywords.
Skirmish: Exert Gandalf twice and discard this condition to wound a minion Gandalf is skirmishing twice.
"'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'"
1 V 85

lem0nhead · « **Reply #232 on:** June 12, 2008, 03:42:18 AM »

All fine i guess though its an absolute crime to reprint Servant, its such a fantastic card its blasphemy to offer an alternative.

Thranduil · « **Reply #233 on:** June 12, 2008, 03:49:22 AM »

Quote from: lem0nhead on June 12, 2008, 03:42:18 AM

All fine i guess though its an absolute crime to reprint Servant, its such a fantastic card its blasphemy to offer an alternative.

Fine! If you're going to be that way, I've now changed the title.

I hope you're happy!

Thranduil

lem0nhead · « **Reply #234 on:** June 12, 2008, 03:49:50 AM »

Good man. All

then!

DáinIronfoot · « **Reply #235 on:** June 12, 2008, 07:02:40 AM »

Quote from: Thranduil

Questions That Need Answering (V)
Condition • Support Area
Search.
To play, spot Gandalf.
All players must place their hand face-up on the table in front of them and must keep the top card of their draw deck face-up at all times.
Discard this condition at the end of the turn.
"'There are some things that I must see to…'"
1 V 81

Certainly has potential, especially with Elves.

My only "problem" with it is that it would be the first-ever Free Peoples search card. Maybe stealth instead? That's usually the FP counter to search....

Quote from: Thranduil

Risk A Little Light (V)
Event • Maneuver
Spell.
Spot Gandalf to reveal the top card of each player's draw deck. For each Free Peoples card revealed, you may remove .
"'Let me risk a little more light.'"
1 V 82

Nifty. Again, love it with Elves.

Quote from: Thranduil

Strength of Spirit (V)
Condition
Spell.
Bearer must be Gandalf.
Each minion skirmishing Gandalf loses all gametext keywords.
Skirmish: Exert Gandalf twice and discard this condition to wound a minion Gandalf is skirmishing twice.
"'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'"
1 V 85

Cool beans.

Thranduil · « **Reply #236 on:** June 12, 2008, 08:03:30 AM »

Quote from: DáinIronfoot on June 12, 2008, 07:02:40 AM

Certainly has potential, especially with Elves. My only "problem" with it is that it would be the first-ever Free Peoples search card. Maybe stealth instead? That's usually the FP counter to search....

I understand that, but stealth makes no sense with the title, and neither does spell which the original had.

As a general comment, I'm entirely unsure what these virtual cards are going to make of all those classic keywords like stealth, search, spell, tale etc. So far, I'm putting them on any card which makes sense and worrying about it later. I don't see a problem in theory with FP search cards (nor with Shadow stealth cards) - there certainly can't be many cards that reference that keyword that would make it broken or weird - and it may not be a permanent addition to this card, it just depends on what I decide to do with it.

Thranduil

DáinIronfoot · « **Reply #237 on:** June 12, 2008, 08:21:15 AM »

Fair enough. I agree there's no particular problem with it (no conflicts or anything, and I DID check

)...just making an observation.

sickofpalantirs · « **Reply #238 on:** June 12, 2008, 11:04:48 AM »

Quote from: Thranduil on June 12, 2008, 03:16:20 AM

Okay let's have some cool but slightly off-the wall cards. The first one we've already seen, but I liked it so much I thought I'd post it again!

Questions That Need Answering (V)
Condition • Support Area
Search.
To play, spot Gandalf.
All players must place their hand face-up on the table in front of them and must keep the top card of their draw deck face-up at all times.
Discard this condition at the end of the turn.
"'There are some things that I must see to…'"
1 V 81
i feel like I already saw this...

Risk A Little Light (V)
Event • Maneuver
Spell.
Spot Gandalf to reveal the top card of each player's draw deck. For each Free Peoples card revealed, you may remove .
"'Let me risk a little more light.'"
1 V 82
fine by me another multiplayer friendly card.

Strength of Spirit (V)
Condition
Spell.
Bearer must be Gandalf.
Each minion skirmishing Gandalf loses all gametext keywords.
Skirmish: Exert Gandalf twice and discard this condition to wound a minion Gandalf is skirmishing twice.
"'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'"
1 V 85

fine.

Thranduil · « **Reply #239 on:** June 12, 2008, 11:58:38 AM »

Now for a random collection of slightly off-the-wall

cards from the Mines of Moria.

Gandalf's Wisdom (V)

Event • Fellowship or Regroup
Spot Gandalf to heal a companion with resistance 3 or more.
At the start of the regroup phase, you may add a burden to take this event into hand from your discard pile.
"Now as the companions sat or walked together they spoke of Gandalf, and all that each had known and seen of him came clear before their minds."
2 V 23

Staff Asunder (V)

Event • Skirmish
Spell.
Reveal your hand to make a minion skirmishing a

Wizard strength -2 for each spell revealed (or -3 if he bears a staff). Remove this event from the game.
"At that moment Gandalf lifted his staff, and crying aloud he smote the bridge before him."
2 V 27

You Cannot Pass! (V)

Event • Assignment
Assign a minion to Gandalf. At the end of Gandalf's skirmish, discard Gandalf and that minion. Remove this event from the game.
"The Balrog fell back and its sword flew up in molten fragments. The wizard swayed on the bridge, stepped back a pace, and then again stood still."
2 V 30