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June 02, 2008, 01:11:40 PM
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Re: More Virtual Cards (Some Fellowship Followers)
« Reply #165 on: June 02, 2008, 01:11:40 PM »
OK on the attachment, just don't make it a habit. ;)

If you are making virtual cards that are not going to be printed/used in real life, it seems like you could change the twilight cost anyway.

June 02, 2008, 01:36:31 PM
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« Reply #166 on: June 02, 2008, 01:36:31 PM »
You're right, but if noone else I might want to use them! ;) And if we ever actually get any authority like the SWCCG player's committee, they might be wider used, so I might as well stick to the rules now.

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June 03, 2008, 02:21:37 AM
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« Reply #167 on: June 03, 2008, 02:21:37 AM »

SoP is correct only companions can have RB so you need to remove it from Frodo.

[1]Merry, From O'er the Brandywine (V) [Shire]
Follower
Str: +1
Fellowship. Aid - [2].
Skirmish: If bearer is a fellowship companion, add a threat to make him strength +2.
"'I don't know why he's so upset, it's only a few carrots…'"
1 V 303

Cool

[1]Pippin, Mr. Took (V) [Shire]
Follower
Res: +1
Fellowship. Aid - [2].
Skirmish: If bearer is a fellowship companion, exert him to remove a threat.
"Pippin was evidently much enjoying the attention he was getting, and had become quite forgetful of their danger."
2 V 110

Nice synergy but an exertion for 1 threat isnt very good. Maybe 2 threats.

[2]Sam, Son of Hamfast (V) [Shire]
Follower
Vit: +1
Fellowship. Aid - [2].
Response: If a burden is about to be added by a Shadow card, exert bearer to prevent it.
Each time Sam transfers from a Hobbit or fellowship companion to your support area, you may heal that companion.
"'Oh, I've never held a girl's hand before. I… I think I might just have myself another ale.'"
1 V 311

Tricky timing issue here. If youre exhautsed as soon as this guy leaves you you die, not sure if the trigger for each time happens before instantaneous actions such as aformentioned.

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June 03, 2008, 02:44:05 AM
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« Reply #168 on: June 03, 2008, 02:44:05 AM »
Tricky timing issue here. If youre exhautsed as soon as this guy leaves you you die, not sure if the trigger for each time happens before instantaneous actions such as aformentioned.
This depends on whether killing a character is simply an instantaneous effect or a required action. If it were the former, then I suspect you would be right and his ability would have to be worded differently. If it is the latter, the Free Peoples player chooses in which order the two actions occur (ie. whether Sam is transferred before or after his bearer is healed). I have no idea which it is, however...

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June 03, 2008, 03:07:50 AM
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« Reply #169 on: June 03, 2008, 03:07:50 AM »
As soon as a characters vitality is reduced to 0 it dies. I think this is valid here. The moment the follower leaves, the vitality is 0 and boom dead pile here we come. Its like pulling the cord out of the life support machine, no point plugging it back in after the heart has stopped. Dont think it works here mate.
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June 03, 2008, 03:22:42 AM
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« Reply #170 on: June 03, 2008, 03:22:42 AM »
Okay, I have changed Sam so that the healing thing does work and also tried to make his aid cost less accessible.

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June 03, 2008, 03:24:25 AM
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« Reply #171 on: June 03, 2008, 03:24:25 AM »
Muuuuch better :D
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June 03, 2008, 06:55:07 AM
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« Reply #172 on: June 03, 2008, 06:55:07 AM »
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[1]Merry, From O'er the Brandywine (V) [Shire]
Follower
Str: +1
Fellowship. Aid - [2].
Skirmish: If bearer is a fellowship companion, add a threat to make him strength +2.
"'I don't know why he's so upset, it's only a few carrots…'"
1 V 303

Looks good.

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[1]Pippin, Mr. Took (V) [Shire]
Follower
Res: +1
Fellowship. Aid - [2].
Skirmish: If bearer is a fellowship companion, exert him to remove a threat.
"Pippin was evidently much enjoying the attention he was getting, and had become quite forgetful of their danger."
2 V 110

Lem0n's idea ain't bad, but how about removing the threat when you transfer him to a fellowship companion, or when the bearing fellowship companion wins skirmishes? No exertions required then. :up:

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[2]Sam, Son of Hamfast (V) [Shire]
Follower
Vit: +1
Fellowship. Aid - discard a [Shire] card from hand.
Response: If a burden is about to be added by a Shadow card, exert bearer to prevent it.
Regroup: If bearer is a fellowship companion, heal him to transfer Sam to your support area.
"'Oh, I've never held a girl's hand before. I… I think I might just have myself another ale.'"
1 V 311

I think it should be "to prevent that", though it's certainly clear as written. I like everything else, though.
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June 03, 2008, 07:24:58 AM
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Re: More Virtual Cards (Some Fellowship Followers)
« Reply #173 on: June 03, 2008, 07:24:58 AM »
Now that we've seen all of the follower versions and a good number of the companion versions, here are some follower support cards. The cycle I'm going through now each have an ability to use with fellowship followers and fellowship companions, allowing you to find your own balance between the two approaches.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2008, 04:13:12 AM by Thranduil »

June 03, 2008, 07:29:37 AM
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« Reply #174 on: June 03, 2008, 07:29:37 AM »

[2]Gimli's Battleaxe (V) [Dwarven]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Str: +1
Vit: +1
Bearer must be Gimli.
Fellowship: Exert Gimli to take into hand a fellowship follower from your discard pile.
Skirmish: Exert Gimli to make a fellowship companion damage +1.
"Beside them Gimli stood with his stout legs apart, wielding his dwarf-axe."
1 V 14

"Exert Gimli to take a fellowship follower into hand from your discard pile" seems better. Im not sure i like the second ability. Pippin should never be damage +1.

[1]Bow of the Galadhrim (V) [Elven]
Possession • Ranged Weapon
Str: +1
Bearer must be Legolas.
Maneuver: Exert Legolas to transfer a fellowship follower to a companion.
Skirmish: Exert Legolas to exert a minion skirmishing a fellowship companion.
"To Legolas she gave a bow such as the Galadhrim used, longer and stouter than the bows of Mirkwood, and strung with a string of elf-hair.'"
1 V 33

Id cut the first ability, seems useless and its unecessary anyway.

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June 03, 2008, 07:33:32 AM
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« Reply #175 on: June 03, 2008, 07:33:32 AM »
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[2]Gimli's Battleaxe (V) [Dwarven]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Str: +1
Vit: +1
Bearer must be Gimli.
Fellowship: Exert Gimli to take into hand a fellowship follower from your discard pile.
Skirmish: Exert Gimli to make a fellowship companion damage +1.
"Beside them Gimli stood with his stout legs apart, wielding his dwarf-axe."
1 V 14

You do know it's "Gimli's Battle Axe", right? For shame! :P I like lem0n's wording better, and I see no reason to mess with the original +2 strength +0 vitality, so I'd change it back to that, especially with his wicked skirmish ability.

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[1]Bow of the Galadhrim (V) [Elven]
Possession • Ranged Weapon
Str: +1
Bearer must be Legolas.
Maneuver: Exert Legolas to transfer a fellowship follower to a companion.
Skirmish: Exert Legolas to exert a minion skirmishing a fellowship companion.
"To Legolas she gave a bow such as the Galadhrim used, longer and stouter than the bows of Mirkwood, and strung with a string of elf-hair.'"
1 V 33

I think it's okay, though why these weapons are working with followers I don't know.
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June 03, 2008, 07:34:52 AM
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Re: More Virtual Cards (Some Fellowship Followers)
« Reply #176 on: June 03, 2008, 07:34:52 AM »
I think it's okay, though why these weapons are working with followers I don't know.

Yes this is a point i wanted to say but forgot to.
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June 03, 2008, 07:43:55 AM
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« Reply #177 on: June 03, 2008, 07:43:55 AM »
Only fellowship followers. The point is, these weapons work with members of the Fellowship of the Ring, whether they're followers or companions.

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June 03, 2008, 07:44:49 AM
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« Reply #178 on: June 03, 2008, 07:44:49 AM »
Is that not slightly "tenuous"?  :-\
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June 03, 2008, 07:45:49 AM
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« Reply #179 on: June 03, 2008, 07:45:49 AM »
No. A Frodo follower is still Frodo and so should be supported by cards that support a fellowship strategy.

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