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April 12, 2014, 09:17:41 PM
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« on: April 12, 2014, 09:17:41 PM »
So I've spent the day in a flurry of article writing, and while I have no delusions of thinking I'll keep this up, I figured I'd link to some pages I've added to get some feedback.  If there are more reference articles like the ones I've written today, I imagine we'd have more activity (and thus more writing) in the wiki itself.

I feel like preserving the information that we all take for granted is of paramount importance, even if (perhaps especially if) the community slips further into a coma. 

Without further ado:

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/comprehensive rules 4-0
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/current rulings document
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/signet
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/vitality
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/fellowship of the ring
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/orc culture
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/men culture
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/uruk-hai culture

I'm hopeless at offering commentary on cards after movie block, so I will definitely need help explaining the finer points of those cultures and card strategies common in Standard.  I also was never a part of any sort of tournament setting either, so any historical perspective would be great (such as on the FotR page). 

I also put a coding cheat sheet together, since the syntax page has mysteriously vanished:
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/code snippets


thoughts, questions, critiques, if you please.
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April 17, 2014, 04:25:47 AM
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Re: Article Feedback
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2014, 04:25:47 AM »
More articles:

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/fellowship_of_the_ring
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/rarity
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/strength
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/vitality
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/heal


With some of these, I have begun to put comprehensive indices at the bottom of the articles, so far including vitality, strength, heal, and signet.  For instance, signet has two sections; one listing all the characters that hold a particular signet, and another for all the cards that affect a particular signet.  Vitality has two sections, one for cards that add vitality and another for cards that reduce it. 

The strength article got a bit ridiculous; as it turns out, about 1/3 of the cards in the entire game affect strength one way or another; ~100 that remove strength and ~900 that increase it.  I left the massive list in regardless, as I feel that that kind of indexing is a good direction to be going in; maybe for attributes it's not a big concern, but being able to see at a glance all of the, say, Isengard cards that have actions that heal can be a valuable resource if you're looking for a particular type of card to round out a particular strategy. 

I have a python script that analyzes the card list and spits out formatted lists like these according to whatever parameters I want.  The analysis is pretty powerful so long as I know the wording to look for, so if there's a particular type of list resource you've always wanted (cards spotting elves?  cards that exert uruk-hai?  cards that intercept an action and perform another "instead"?), let me know and I'll work on that article next.
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April 18, 2014, 03:45:32 AM
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Re: Article Feedback
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2014, 03:45:32 AM »
More:

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/action
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/fortification
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/balrog - revamped
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/raceless
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/classless
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/armor
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/brooch
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/box
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/cloak
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/gauntlets
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/hand_weapon


All of the above except for "action" include a card index.


I do see that at least a few of you are reading these updates, and I just want you all to be aware that every little bit helps.  My personal plan is to work my way through all the keywords, then cultures and sets, and finally start setting up pages for general strategies and specific deck lists and explanations (which will essentially be lifted straight from these forums, to be honest).

If you see any little details that need fixed, or any explanation that is inadequate, or some concept that's not getting any limelight, feel free to make the page or make the change.  If anyone has any questions over how to edit, let me know and I'll help you out.
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April 18, 2014, 04:34:45 AM
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Re: Article Feedback
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2014, 04:34:45 AM »
Perhaps an additional strategy you could mention on The Balrog page is the use of Foul Things to play from your discard pile, or the use of Dark Places to throw conditional pumps its way for every copy you have in your support area. I suppose this ^ suggestion purely depends on how in-depth you want to go with each page, but whenever I play a deck with some Balrogs, I try and use the above cards as often as possible.
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April 18, 2014, 04:38:09 PM
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2014, 04:38:09 PM »
That kind of thing is exactly what I'm talking about; it's been years since I've played decks myself and so card strategies like that elude me; all I can do is use my scripts to search cards for specific words.  As to the question of detail, eventually we want every one of these articles (and every one of the card pages) to be as exhaustive as possible, your one-stop-shop for every strategy you might use a particular card for.

Bulbapedia/Smogen Pokedex together do for pokemon what I think the our wiki should do for LotR-TCG.  If you look at the Bulbapedia entry for Feraligatr you see every piece of technical information you could possibly ever want; maximum stats, level info, appearances in anime and manga, in-game info, alternate languages, everything that can be gleamed from a mechanical perspective.  That kind of stuff I can produce; it's just a matter of analyzing the cards to a certain extent and interpreting the data properly. 

However, jump over to the Smogon Pokedex entry for Feraligatr and you see an exhaustive strategical analysis; the topmost line of tabs shows the different generations and the middle tabs show the different tournament formats within those generations, and on each tab you have a common build list with a discussion of its strengths and weaknesses, common counters, common combos, and other such info.  That's definitely the sort of thing I need help with, and info like yours is exactly the sort of thing we'd include.  You can add the info yourself onto that page, or if you don't I'll add it myself later once I jump on again, but don't be afraid to add it yourself, even if it doesn't mesh well with the rest of the article. I can edit things just fine, if I find someone's edit that doesn't flow well I won't delete it, I'll just reword it, but I need the info before I can even do that.
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April 22, 2014, 08:10:05 PM
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2014, 08:10:05 PM »
Worked mostly on the wiki organization lately.  Renamed a few articles, moved things around, created a bunch of easily-referenced tables and tried to make the index all-inclusive, but I'm aware that there's still several concepts not listed there.

Articles created:

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/cloak
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/palantir
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/card_layout
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/threat
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/tokens
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/twilight_tokens
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/culture_tokens


I also removed the list of cards that modify Strength and put them in their own article, linked to in the strength article

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/rulebooks now contains corrected links, some to my personal dropbox since there is a 1MB limit on uploads that only Kralik can override.  It also includes more rulebooks than it did before, that I was able to find archived around the web.

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/index has more tables than it did before, and is more exhaustive over what it covers, though there are still holes here and there.  This is the best place to begin if you're looking to contribute; either tackle one of the red links or edit a link that only has a quote from the comprehensive rules.



If you're looking for articles to use as a standard, I have found that Hardy Garrison easily has the best card article, and Vitality is probably one of the more exhaustive mechanics articles, but none of the mechanics articles are anywhere near the level they eventually should be.  Look to these two as examples if you dive in yourself, and remember to not worry about the card indices; I can handle those with the click of a button.
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April 27, 2014, 07:28:12 AM
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2014, 07:28:12 AM »
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/draw
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/rule_of_4
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/wound

Small batch but useful.  It was already pointed out to me that I had missed Ottar and Abandoning Reason for Madness in the draw/rule of 4 lists, so that underlines the fact that I can always use help proofreading.  If you're aware of a card that is not in these lists, or any of the lists in the other articles, feel free to add it, or to let me know.
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April 27, 2014, 04:39:13 PM
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2014, 04:39:13 PM »
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/rulebooks  was completely rewritten due to new information, specifically information that I was able to find within the newly located comprehensive rules v. 1.0 and the original proto-CRD.  With this find, we are only missing 4 rulebooks and maybe a few CRDs that may have slipped the cracks (though those are less important). 
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April 28, 2014, 11:56:12 AM
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2014, 11:56:12 AM »
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/starter_pack created.  It now holds a list of every single starter deck ever created, warts and all.  If you have any comments about the way the decks were listed, please let me know, as I will be using what's on this page as a basis for how other decks are listed in the future.
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April 30, 2014, 05:57:43 PM
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June 08, 2014, 01:09:19 AM
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2014, 01:09:19 AM »
new articles:

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/dck_file_format
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/dek_file_format
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/gccg_file_format
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/zdl_file_format

The above are all explanations of various file formats used by different game clients/decklist builders.

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/wiki_style

This is a meta article designed to help new editors understand some of the conventions used in the wiki so far.
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June 13, 2014, 08:36:05 AM
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2014, 08:36:05 AM »
This is some great work, TelTura! There's a lot of very basic pages missing so it's great to see someone writing so many articles.

I'd like to contribute, though I need to get to 25 posts first. I'm interesting in filling out some basic strategy for prominent cards. Even some of the most iconic cards that require combos like Goblin Armory don't have anything on them, and that's a shame.

Maybe we could try to resolve some of the "public good problem" by doing some kind of writing pledge drive. Like a group pledges to all write or improve five articles each.

June 13, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2014, 10:43:02 AM »
We've tried things similar to that in the past...the central leadership of the forums is awol, so it's literally all up to the lay membership.  Only thing to do is try and do some and stick to it.
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June 14, 2014, 11:33:25 PM
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2014, 11:33:25 PM »
You're doing really good work here. I edited a couple of articles tonight to add subtler details that weren't particularly publicized, like the possibility for multiple foils in a pack.

June 15, 2014, 05:13:54 AM
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2014, 05:13:54 AM »
Excellent!  It has been forever since someone besides myself has made an edit not related to gemp, and I have to say it's nice to see that someone's actually reading the stuff I put up!

I think most of the changes you made were justifiable (in a lot of cases they added info that I simply didn't have), but in some cases I think we have a conflict of info here.  So, we'll just need to duke it out in here to get our sources in order.  I'm going to go edit-by-edit in this topic, since there's no wiki talk page that I'm aware of within the wiki itself.


I'll start with http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/rarity .  I'm using the compare feature; you can follow along by following this link here.

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First three edits are solid.  I've been meaning to write more detail about foils myself, since I found a starter rulebook paragraph that actually listed the exact chances of each type of foil (1 in X for common foil, 1 in Y for uncommon, etc), which only averages out to the 1 in 6  figure that everyone refers to.

Out of curiosity, do you have a link to the ebay auction (at least, I assume it was ebay) where 0P127 sold for that much?  That kind of thing would be good to link as a reference.

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These were distributed in 18-card booster packs composed of 2 random rares from //Reflections// and 16 random cards from all previous sets (this was a way for Decipher to dump some of their overstock).

Now, I can't seem to find where I pulled my info from, but I imagine if you edited this then you've got solid info.  Just wanted to clarify: are you getting that from having opened boosters yourself, or from information from elsewhere?  Not challenging you, just want to be aware of the source.

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Starting with the //Shadows// set, alternate versions of select cards were reprinted as the "Legends" series, which served to decrease the number of cards available to collectors because the parallel foil sets were discontinued.  Legends-series cards were always foil, and marked with the RF rarity to differentiate them from their non-Legends counterpart.

(your changes in red, just like it's shown in the comparison).

I think this is one part where my original didn't express itself properly.  Where it said "increase the number of cards available to collectors", I had originally meant the total number of numbered cards to collect, as in, collectors now had a larger checklist before their collection was "complete".  However, I can see how that could have been taken in the exact opposite meaning (probably because of the word "available"), as your edit maintains. 

I would therefore propose something like this (edits in green to mean proposed but not pushed changes):

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Starting with the //Shadows// set, alternate versions of select cards were reprinted as the "Legends" series meant to represent particularly popular cards or concepts.  This increased the total number of cards to collect while at the same time making these additions quite rare, as eventually during the set's lifetime these alternate cards would be discontinued.  Legends-series cards were always foil, and marked with the RF rarity to differentiate them from their non-Legends counterpart.

Thoughts? The remaining edits on that page are all solid (formatting excepted, but I've already fixed that). 

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Next with http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/starter pack , compare here.

First edit's solid. 

The rest is mostly solid (I liked the bit about printing, I had never even thought about that), but I do want to bring up these lines:

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To offset the fact that veteran players would not need the starter packs, Decipher included cards that could only be found in starters inside most boxes.

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Unlike other starter sets, Deluxe starters did not include starter-only cards.

At first I thought you were referring to the S rarity cards in Shadows/Black Rider, but that second line means this is referring to Movie block as well (since that's when the deluxe starters existed).  I didn't think this was the case during Movie block, and I'm 80% certain that I've received The One Ring, The Ruling Ring in a booster before (the other cards aren't as prominent for me to recall whether or not I ever received one in a booster). Do we have any other info confirming this?  I mean, it makes sense, I've just literally never heard it before.

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Thanks again for your input!  It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy to have more than just me looking into all this.


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